30% of Russians drink themselves to death

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AA

 

You obviously do not understand what is local density or percentage. Atmosphere is not homogeneous.
Good example is a smog - you can easily see it over the city however your hypothesis tells that it should be disributed across over the world immediately

 

OK....you and I I believe are arguing two different issues.

First of all let's look at high and low atmospheric pressure as it applies to air density and then add in the percentage of water vapor.

Air that is high in water vapor transfers heat more readily.

Heat means thinner air unless you add Humidity into the equation.

But if humidity is the same air that is DENSER thus COLDER as the hotter air is the less dense and higher the pressure it obtains....is LESS DENSE.

The ratio's of O2 to Nitrogen stay the same in all cases.

But the AMOUNT of actual O2 INCREASES PER BREATH the denser air becomes.

Got this now?

AA

 

Tell that scientists and they will laugh at you and they tell that you are just a boy

According to Alpha that map should be flat!
http://www-naweb.iaea.org/napc/ih/documents/userupdate/Waterloo/africa/slide01.gif

A man who has PADI is now a PhD in physics and geochemistry - what a news!

 

NAUI and PADI!!!!!

OK.....you are attempting to state that there is an increase in O2 thus an increase in the ratio of O2 in the atmosphere due to heavy forestation.

While it is a fact that O2 exists a bit higher in it's ratio in dense CO2 Breathing and O2 Expelling Forests.....that increase is TINY.

By volume, dry air contains 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.039% Carbon Dioxide, and small amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1% at sea level, and 0.4% over the entire atmosphere.

The increase in O2 due to Forest O2 production even in a low laying valley in a heavily forested area of Siberia is less than 1/4 of 1%.

If you go high enough, either by climbing a mountain or going up in an airplane that does not have a pressurized cabin, you will begin feeling the effects of lower air pressure and density.

As air pressure decreases oxygen continues to account for about 21% of the gasses in the air as it does at sea level. But, there is less oxygen because there is less of all of the air's gasses. For instance, by the time you go to 12,000 feet the air's pressure is about 40% lower than at sea level. This means that with each breath you are getting about 40% less oxygen than at the lower altitude.

These effects aren't felt in airliners because the cabins are pressurized to keep the air density inside about the same as it would be about 6,000 or 7,000 feet above sea level.


THE MORE DENSE DRY AIR YOU BREATH THE MORE O2 PER BREATH YOU TAKE IN!!!

COLD AIR....at sea level means DENSE AIR.....thus although the O2 to Nitrogen Ratio's stay the same YOU BREATH IN MORE O2 PER BREATH IN COLD DENSE ATMOSPHERE AT SEA LEVEL THAN YOU DO BREATH IN THE MUCH LESS O2 BREATHING HOT THIN AIR AT SEA LEVEL!!!

Thus Hot Miami Beach Air has LESS 02 PER VOLUME.....than does COLD SIBERIAN AIR AT SEA LEVEL!!....

I have absolutely no idea what the HELL you are thinking!!??

AA

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You know.....I really can't believe you are THIS uninformed.

AA

 

First of all - utilization of O2 strongly depends on outer temparature - the less temperature the less percent of O2 human can utilize from air.
+1 degree of Celsius to the normal temperature of human body means that human is sick.
'Sea level' means MODEL - Novosibirsk is 100 - 200 meters above sea level and does not matter how the density at sea level calculated for that place. You could not even measure O2 at sea level in Novosibirsk because there's no sea or altitude like sea level there!
And - HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE PICTURE I ATTACHED?

 

Oooh my god!
First of all - percentage of O2 to utilize depends on DENSITY - but not on pressure directly.
At 3000 meter pressure is 31% less, but the density is just 26% less.
So you will get 26% less O2 but not 31% less as you stated.

Go and learn physics boy!
If you don't see difference between 30% and 20% than do not tell physicist what is science.

 

HA!!

Now you are changing the parameters of our argument!!

LOL!!!

AA

 

You are something!!!

It does not matter if you are at sea level or breathing from a SCUBA Tank 66 feet under water which is 3 Atm's or 3 Atmospheres of Pressure or if you are breathing at 100-200 Meters above sea level!!!

The RATIO'S will still remain at approx. 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.039% Carbon Dioxide, and small amounts of other gases PER PHYSICAL BREATH OF AIR!!!

What changes is the AMOUNT OF AIR PER BREATH....as if SCUBA DIVING at 33 Feet down that is 2 ATM's of pressure thus a person breaths in 2 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF OXYGEN, NITROGEN, ARGON, CO2..etc!!!

Even if a person is 2000 Feet....that's approx. 600 Meters above sea level the effective Oxygen Percentage is still 19.4 Percent that the Human Body can effectively absorb per breath but AT ALL ALTITUDES THE RATIO OF ACTUAL OXYGEN IN EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE IS 20.95%!!!!!!

No matter if we are at sea level or 30,000 feet in altitude the ratio still remains.....78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.039% Carbon Dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.

LINK.....http://www.higherpeak.com/altitudechart.html

We were discussing the AMOUNT OF OXYGEN TAKEN IN PER BREATH AT SEA LEVEL IN MIAMI AND AT SEA LEVEL in SIBERIA.....and there are deep canyons cut by rivers in SIBERIA AT SEA LEVEL!!!

As long as Water Vapor is the same the COLDER the air is at sea level....the DENSER the air is.....the HOTTER....the less dense.

Again.....both the hotter and colder air at sea level or at the same altitude for both.....THE COLDER AIR IS DENSER THUS WILL CONTAIN MORE OXYGEN PER BREATH!!!

THIS WAS THE ARGUMENT.

We were not discussing anything else!!!

The argument was you posted that a person on Miami Beach on a hot day would breath more O2 than a person in a Cold Weather Forest.

I stated that a person would get more O2 per breath in their lungs in an equal in elevation to Miami Beach....which is sea level....location in Russia that was colder and at the same elevation.

THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT!!!

And I am correct!!!

AA

 

And YOU are the one who needs a good physics lesson!!!

You are confusing OXYGEN IN AIR PERCENTAGES with THE AMOUNT OF OXYGEN IN AIR OF GREATER DENSITY!!

Just like 33 Feet underwater.....Air Density is 2 TIMES THAT OF SEA LEVEL!!!

Thus per breath a diver breaths 2 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF OXYGEN AND NITROGEN THAT THEY BREATH AT SEA LEVEL!!!

But regardless of depth.....THE RATIO ALWAYS REMAINS THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT THE AIR DENSITY IS BE IT 30,000 FEET UP OR 132 FEET DOWN!!! The RATIO'S REMAIN....78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.039% Carbon Dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.

AA

 

"30% of Russians drink themselves to death"

but when it's your time, it's your time right? all part of God's plan?

 

LOL!!!

I would say it's more a Stoli Plan!!

AA

 

Again, explain that map:


And how about that article?
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2005GL023311/pdf
Look at Figure 4
I know that is the science that is not learned by the SCUBA divers
...but when diver starts to claim that ratio is constant over the earth that means that diver is just a boy

Even if atmosphere has same ratio of O2 at different places human body utilizes different amount of O2 per breath that depens on outer temperature. That is why breathing in cold weather is heavier.

 

I ALREADY EXPLAINED IT IN MY POST!!!

Here is my post again!!

You are something!!!

It does not matter if you are at sea level or breathing from a SCUBA Tank 66 feet under water which is 3 Atm's or 3 Atmospheres of Pressure or if you are breathing at 100-200 Meters above sea level!!!

The RATIO'S will still remain at approx. 78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.039% Carbon Dioxide, and small amounts of other gases PER PHYSICAL BREATH OF AIR!!!

What changes is the AMOUNT OF AIR PER BREATH....as if SCUBA DIVING at 33 Feet down that is 2 ATM's of pressure thus a person breaths in 2 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF OXYGEN, NITROGEN, ARGON, CO2..etc!!!

Even if a person is 2000 Feet....that's approx. 600 Meters above sea level the effective Oxygen Percentage is still 19.4 Percent that the Human Body can effectively absorb per breath but AT ALL ALTITUDES THE RATIO OF ACTUAL OXYGEN IN EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE IS 20.95%!!!!!!

No matter if we are at sea level or 30,000 feet in altitude the ratio still remains.....78.09% nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.039% Carbon Dioxide, and small amounts of other gases.

LINK.....http://www.higherpeak.com/altitudechart.html

We were discussing the AMOUNT OF OXYGEN TAKEN IN PER BREATH AT SEA LEVEL IN MIAMI AND AT SEA LEVEL in SIBERIA.....and there are deep canyons cut by rivers in SIBERIA AT SEA LEVEL!!!

As long as Water Vapor is the same the COLDER the air is at sea level....the DENSER the air is.....the HOTTER....the less dense.

Again.....both the hotter and colder air at sea level or at the same altitude for both.....THE COLDER AIR IS DENSER THUS WILL CONTAIN MORE OXYGEN PER BREATH!!!

THIS WAS THE ARGUMENT.

We were not discussing anything else!!!

The argument was you posted that a person on Miami Beach on a hot day would breath more O2 than a person in a Cold Weather Forest.

I stated that a person would get more O2 per breath in their lungs in an equal in elevation to Miami Beach....which is sea level....location in Russia that was colder and at the same elevation.

THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT!!!

And I am correct!!!

AA


READ THIS PART AGAIN!!!

Even if a person is 2000 Feet....that's approx. 600 Meters above sea level the effective Oxygen Percentage is still 19.4 Percent that the Human Body can effectively absorb per breath but AT ALL ALTITUDES THE RATIO OF ACTUAL OXYGEN IN EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE IS 20.95%!!!!!!

Thus the RATIO'S REMAIN THE SAME.....but even with altitude changes of 2000 Feet the Human Body still utilizes 19.4% of the O2 per breath!!!

Our argument was about HOT MIAMI BEACH AIR AT SEA LEVEL and I told you CORRECTLY that a person takes in LESS O2 per breath than a person in Siberia at sea level breathing COLD AIR as this colder air is DENSER thus it has more O2 per breath!!!

THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT and I am correct.

EVEN IF .....the altitude in Siberia was 2000 feet above sea level thus the O2 and Nitrogen Ratio's remain the same but the Human Body only utilizes 19.4 % of the O2 at 2000 Feet...because the COLD AIR IS DENSER than HOT AIR....even at 2000 feet in altitude thus less pressure and less O2 Absorption the DENSER COLD AIR....makes up for this AND MORE!!!

The difference in O2 per BREATH due to GREATER COLD AIR DENSITY....OVERCOMES THE lower Human O2 Absorption percentage at 2000 feet and overcomes the less pressure.

COLD AIR WITH GREATER DENSITY even at 2000 feet in altitude can increase O2 quantity per breath by 25%.

AA

 

I asked you to explain statement that is underlined. It contradicts the real scientific data that I provided.

 

What differentiates an alcoholic from a heavy drinker? How do you track numbers?

 

IMO an alcoholic relies on alcohol to get him/her through the day and is dependent on alcohol. A heavy drinker is just that, someone who drinks a lot (measured against what?).

 

The Big Book of AA defines an alcoholic as someone who cannot control consumption once he/she starts drinking or one who cannot stop drinking despite a sincere desire to.
What do you think dependence on alcohol is?

 

Look it up. I'm sure there's plenty written about it.

 

I asked for your opinion regarding dependence on alcohol. Do you have one?

 

Not really.

 

If a person is in a room where O2 is being pumped in then the Percentage of O2 in the rooms air will be at a higher ratio.

The same thing happens when a person is in a Heavily Forested area as the massive number of tree's are taking in CO2 and pumping out O2 so in a localized area like the Room or in the Forest the O2 Ratio's will be a bit higher....but this is LOCALIZED.

The vast majority of areas on Earth the Percentages STAY THE SAME.

Now if you were to provide a LINK to the WEBSITE that you got your ratio's on that map I will be able to explain better but all that a member get's is the map.

The more O2 in the atmosphere the COOLER the atmosphere is as anyone who has ever driven from the heat of a city with high CO2 in the air and then driven to a rural forested area can IMMEDIATELY TELL the difference in Temp. as more O2 means COOLER AIR.

Sure...there are going to be small local areas where CO2 like in Cities will be higher and O2 in Heavily Forested areas will be cooler....but MORE O2....means COOLER AIR....COOLER AIR...also means AIR OF GREATER DENSITY....GREATER DENSITY....means more O2, more Nitrogen..etc...per breath.

When DIVING....at 33 feet down the air comes out of the SCUBA Tank at 2 ATM's...or Two Atmospheres of pressure.

Thus the air is DENSER....and even though the RATIO'S of O2 remains at approx. 20% and the Nitrogen Gas remains at approx. 80%....the fact is for every breath of air existing at 2 ATM's....the air is 2 TIMES AS DENSE....thus a person breaths 2 TIMES AS MUCH O2 AND 2 TIMES AS MUCH NITROGEN than they would breath at SEA LEVEL.

AA

 

I provided a link to a SCIENTIFIC article that shows that you statement is just a bull$(*)(*)(*)(*).
If you've learned at scuba courses that it's constant ... for diver's purposes ... that does not mean that it's really constant

Statement that is underlined makes sense only if we use homogeneous atmosphere approach so example with city and rural is wrong.

 

What the HELL are you talking about????



THIS.....is what we were arguing......YOU said that a person would be breathing MORE OXYGEN on a hot day on Miami Beach then on a COLD DAY in Russia!!!

I said that as long as the elevation was approx. the same....a person would breath in MORE O2 on a COLD DAY IN RUSSIA!!!

And even if a person was at 2000 Feet above sea level the percentage of a Human utilizing O2 is still at 19.9%

I argued that at the same elevation HOTTER AIR means LESS DENSE AIR....and COLDER AIR MEANS DENSER AIR at the same elevation!!!

But you continued to INSIST that a person on a hot day on Miami Beach...and a Hot Day is considered to be 90 Degrees F on Miami......that this person on Miami Beach would be taking in MORE 02 than a person in Russia on a COLD DAY!!

That SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE!!

AA