Trump Doubles Down On Use Of Nuclear Weapons In Europe-

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  1. Gorn Captain

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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274862-trump-wont-rule-out-nukes-in-europe


    Now, the Trump apologists try "So? We've had that policy since Ike".

    Yes...to use them against Soviet/Warsaw Pact armored columns or gathering sites/army bases....

    but where does Trump plan on dropping a nuke in Europe to "take out ISIS"?....going to vaporize Brussels because there are a dozen ISIS suspects living in a mostly Muslim neighborhood???

    Would he turn Birmingham, England into 10 square miles of ash....because somebody at Breitbart told him there was "no go zone" in the old industrial sector?

    Naturally neither Trump nor his fans can give you details.


    And he just further nails the coffin-lid shut on his chances in November.
     
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    Trump has killed his chances at POTUS.....by being Trump.

    I'm still trying to figure out if he is playing a game designed to collapse the GOP or if he is a brilliant Democrat in sheeps clothing. The man has completely reversed his positions of ten years ago and become a Republican......He could be the only true RINO out there.
     
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    Trump plays it up to the repulican masses. If he wins nomination he'll slowly backtrack, and if POTUS he'll change tack completely.
     
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    It's like some exaggerated version of "Poe's Law"....the original states-

    Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.


    Now....let's postulate a Trump Corollary-

    "Without a clear admission by the candidate, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between a Republican candidate who is unknowingly trying to destroy the GOP in an election.....and a "plant" candidate who is actually a Democrat who is doing it on purpose."

    :)

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    I think the "Trump will RUN to the Center" if he's the Nominee thing is a given....the question is "How far?"

    For instance....would he "back off" on his plan for a ban on Muslim immigrants? Would he "back off" his call for deporting 11 million people here undocumented?

    Would he "back off" of .....The Wall???

    :)
     
  5. Bast

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    I think the "Trump will RUN to the Center" if he's the Nominee thing is a given....the question is "How far?"

    For instance....would he "back off" on his plan for a ban on Muslim immigrants? Would he "back off" his call for deporting 11 million people here undocumented?

    Would he "back off" of .....The Wall???

    :)[/QUOTE]
    Well many states seem to be declining syrian(?) refugees. I guess he would refuse to take more and talk bluster about better veting. The 11 million deportation was never serious. I think even the Mexicans knew that. The wall will become a metaphor for trade and economics in some shape or form.
     
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    I don't think he will change
    his ego will probably not let him
    And that if elected
    Wind up destroying the nation
     
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    But will the virulently xenophobic/racist Trump fans accept the Border Wall becoming a "metaphor".....and not a reality???

    :)
     
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    I would have no problem with it if it really needs to be used. Better there than in the US i guess. Maybe they will finally try and pony up for their defense. Personally I would rule 0 things out and just see what the actually situation is.
     
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    The republicans will always support Trump over Hilary imo. But after nomination as you say he'll run centre. Trump is more a politician than people let on. He's all smoke and mirrors.
     
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    It'd prove Trumpism is a Cult of Personality....if Trump abandons his positions on immigration, trade, etc....

    and his loyal subjects still support and defend him. :)
     
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    I'm not really a Trump fan, just like the guy. For me Sanders is the only creditable candidate. But the US affects us in the UK, and i'm not sure how much respect Hilary would get on the world stage.
     
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    I'm no Trump fan, but I asked this in another thread, and no one could answer: What is to be gained by PUBLICLY "ruling out" anything?
     
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    If you read real slow you will find
    Both my post and this thread is at about Donald trump
     
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    Do you guys not understand that Trump is a businessman and a skilled negotiator, and as such he sees stupidity in taking anything off the table that he can use later on even if it's a idle threat? What would you guys have him do, draw lines in the sand and then back away from them?
     
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    Here's your, or our, problem Gorn. We will have another mass terror attack on the scale of the World Trade Center, it's just a matter of time. It will perhaps be a dirty nuclear device.

    When the above happens we will over react, it's what we do. We will nuke something, we will close the borders, we will intern all Muslims.

    Its the reason that we need to hold fast now, else we kill a lot of innocent people.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    Reality is: we will endure another World Trade Center.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    You still don't get why people support Trump. It is a movement against the victimizers of the jobless and middle class, as is the support for Sanders. Of the two, many assume Trump to be the more competent. Whether the Republican party suffers or reforms is up to the Republican party. Even the elite will suffer if current trends continue.
     
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    as I understand it thats what the brussels attack was supposed to be. After I read the time article I looked around for a couple of more and it really does seem credible that the Brussels attack was supposed to hit 2 nuclear plants they just had to move up the schedule so they hit random targets instead.
     
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    Not clear...are you in favor of Trump's idea of using nukes against Europe...or opposing it???

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    Part of that is Trump's views on trade.....but WHAT IF after he wins the Nomination?

    He abandons those views on trade and becomes a "Free Trader"???
     
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    I'm saying it's going to happen if we don't deal with the thing. This thing is ugly and we will over react, mark my words.

    Its just a matter of time, Trump is prescient in this, it's undeniable.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    It was not "Trump's idea" to use nukes in Europe. He simply refused to specify what he would do when questioned. Apparently it has always been one of the projected war games scenarios by the military.

    Regarding trade or anything else, Trump seems flexible enough to vary his approaches depending upon desired results. It is his core desired results that lead to his support, not "how he does it".

    Trump is a non-rigid, non-ideologue that hopefully will study up and not do something stupid like get our interest rates raised by destroying our nation's credit rating to make a political point, the way our present Republicans did not too long ago.
     
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    Okay, obviously "the thing" is some massive terrorist attack....but what EXACTLY is "dealing with it"?

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    Again, it is NOT a war game scenario for fighting terrorism to discuss using a nuclear weapon in Europe.

    Find some military expert that will give you any scenario where that "works". Even if 500 ISIS fighters took over Vienna, like Bane in "Dark Knight Rises" or something....we wouldn't nuke Vienna
     
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    It's obvious limit undocumented aliens from entering this country.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
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    Keep them in their own areas and let them stew in their own juices--don't bring large numbers of them over here. If necessary, bring all of Israel and Europe instead and close up shop over there.
     
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    Why is it that you pretend you do not know the difference between a tactical nuke and a large yield nuclear weapon?
     

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