There is no right to have an abortion

Preventing conception cannot be illegal. Why does the right complain about an ounce of prevention?

 

Please...no one forced you to make middle of the night shopping excursions, as a pregnant woman can go herself if she deems it essential. You are not suggesting that a man have a "say", you are suggesting that he have veto power. Sorry, but a man's effort in causing a pregnancy is not anywhere nearly comparable to the effort required to endure a pregnancy. I applaud you for your efforts to make your wife's pregnancy more comfortable, but that does not entitle you to veto power.

 

Procreation is an injury. I gotta remember that one.

 

So if the following happened to you you wouldn't think you were injured:


Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
•exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
•altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
•nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
•heartburn and indigestion
•constipation
•weight gain
•dizziness and light-headedness
•bloating, swelling, fluid retention
•hemmorhoids
•abdominal cramps
•yeast infections
•congested, bloody nose
•acne and mild skin disorders
•skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
•mild to severe backache and strain
•increased headaches
•difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
•increased urination and incontinence
•bleeding gums
•pica
•breast pain and discharge
•swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
•difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
•inability to take regular medications
•shortness of breath
•higher blood pressure
•hair loss or increased facial/body hair
•tendency to anemia
•curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
•infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
•extreme pain on delivery
•hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
•continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)





Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:
•stretch marks (worse in younger women)
•loose skin
•permanent weight gain or redistribution
•abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
•pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
•changes to breasts
•increased foot size
•varicose veins
•scarring from episiotomy or c-section
•other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
•increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
•loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
•higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
•newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)



Occasional complications and side effects:
•complications of episiotomy
•spousal/partner abuse
•hyperemesis gravidarum
•temporary and permanent injury to back
•severe scarring requiring later surgery
(especially after additional pregnancies)
•dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
•pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
•eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
•gestational diabetes
•placenta previa
•anemia (which can be life-threatening)
•thrombocytopenic purpura
•severe cramping
•embolism (blood clots)
•medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
•diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
•mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
•serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
•hormonal imbalance
•ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
•broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
•hemorrhage and
•numerous other complications of delivery
•refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
•aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
•severe post-partum depression and psychosis
•research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
•research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
•research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease



Less common (but serious) complications:

•peripartum cardiomyopathy
•cardiopulmonary arrest
•magnesium toxicity
•severe hypoxemia/acidosis
•massive embolism
•increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
•molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
(like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
•malignant arrhythmia
•circulatory collapse
•placental abruption
•obstetric fistula




More permanent side effects:
•future infertility
•permanent disability
•death.

 

Dude! You haven't been through anything. but, be that as it may....

Did you and your wife CHOOSE not to have an abortion?
Aren't you glad YOU had that choice?

If so, why do you want to deny that choice to others?

 

Hit the nail on the head did I? So all you can say is that I have no good response....You went through a whole list of possible things that can go wrong and I'm sorry if these things happened to you...But you belittling the contribution of men in a committed relationship is pure nonsense. Study after study shows that kids raised in a 2 parent (notice I didn't say man and wife) home, are more emotionally stable...
The other truth is that most women don't have any of the complications you listed, oh sure there is the weight gain, the stretch marks, having to pee every 30 minutes...But a pregnancy is so easy to prevent, contraceptives, prophylactics, oral or anal vs vaginal sex...That there is no excuse for the amount of abortions in the US...Since 1973 - 2013 there have been 56,405,766 abortions in the US...That's more than the population of most European countries. That's more than were killed in WW1 and WW2 combined...So rail about war, guns, alcohol, drugs...The number one cause if death is abortion.

 

I love how everyone belittles the contributions of Father's in a committed relationship...Did I physically go through the pregnancy with my wife...Hell yes, did my body change like hers no, did I go through the emotional rollercoaster with her, yes. As for to choose or not choose an abortion, it was never an option we even considered.
As I posted in another response, there have been over 54 million abortions in the US from 1973-2013...That is more deaths tha WW1 and WW2 combined and is the leading cause of death in the US.

 

For me personally, because I know abortion rights advocates won't care, I just find it extremely sad that we came to the point to describe a fetus as an attacker under the penal code to justify aborting it.

 

So you want to talk about everything but the topic....then find a thread on all that irrelevant stuff...

I don't know where you get ideas like all men are pushed aside...where? when? How? Who?


And NO, the "left" does NOT all say everything is for the children ( you're rambling again) .

A fetus is NOT a "child", it is a potential child. It has no rights and certainly should not have superior rights over the woman it's in.

Ya, morons say all life is precious because it's only precious until someone says it isn't.

I would sure like to see your proof that women only get fat and have stretch marks and suffer no other effects during or after pregnancy...

 

In Australia when we hear someone making a fuss over nothing we say "Awww Diddums!!" New Zealand calls it "Sooky Sooky La La". The fight for equality for women has brought many advantages to society but we still have some who blow it out of proportion and blame the world ills on it.

I suppose they would rather all women be locked in purdah

 

And I find it sad beyond recounting that so many spend time, energy and money on protecting potential humans that may not even survive to be born in any event, but ignore the millions of children world wide living in poverty and starvation conditions

 

Belittles? I've got five of my own. 27 to 10. My wife had to be hospitalized twice for pregnancy complications. she spent the last two months of the last three pregnancies essentially bedridden. Contribute? I did all I could but here's the truth bucko...

After conception she could have had those babies whether I was there or not. Women do it every day all around the world. Fact is, after conception we're pretty much useless in the birth process.

Maybe that's why men try to involve themselves so deeply in this issue. Maybe being castrated during the birthing process makes them feel, well, castrated! Be that as it may, you did not answer my questions.

Did you and your wife CHOOSE not to have an abortion?
Aren't you glad YOU had that choice?

If so, why do you want to deny that choice to others?

 

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Women who wish to give their children the best home possible are wise to choose abortion if they are single and pregnant.

NO, you are wrong. All women have some of the complications listed, and most women have a lot. Pregnancy is not that easy to prevent unless you have the money to immediately shell out for the most expensive BC. Women's bodies are different and some may have difficulty getting pregnant when they want to, others have difficulty not getting pregnant when that is what they choose. The abortion rate is influenced very little by legality, so if you think there are too many abortions, you need to think about what will affect those numbers.

 

Well put !!!!


But don't expect any real answers......

 

If you want to reduce the number of pregnancies without sticking a bunch of men's noese into womebn's vaginas:

Sex education starting early. third grade and continuing through high school. The education should include the biological processes and prevention methods including abstinence.
Easily accessible and readily available birth control
Easily available post coital birth control
Better availability of complete prenatal care and counseling

Of course, this would require men to surrender their "ownership" of women so, it will be an uphill fight.

 

What you find ridiculous is totally immaterial. The Supreme Court ruled on a woman's right to have an abortion. End of discussion.

 

My favourite is TEACH THE BASICS ABOUT CONTRACEPTION

The number of, mostly men, on this board who rant about "people too lazy to use a condom" and who do NOT realise that condoms have a very high failure rate is astounding - and represents a large number of unwanted pregnancies

 

That's all fine and good and I really have no problem with it. That said as far as I know there is no form of contraception that is 100% effective.

 

No, there isn't and remember the MOST basic thing, women have NO obligation to use any form of birth control.

 

True and the inequality in this is underscored by the plethora of contraception for women and the paucity of contraception for men

Why is it that there is virtually no effective, easily reversible male contraceptive?

 

Is it wrong to get a vasectomy and "goad" women into "having my baby"?

 

Women say all they want is a better life for their baby, but just look at what they do!!!

You call aborting your child giving them "a better life" ??

There's some serious logical flaws going on in this reasoning.

 

Look, women are limited in the number of children they can have, and they are even more limited in the number they can provide for well. Say a woman is limited by finances and time constraints so that she realizes she can only give 2 children a good upbringing and she needs 4 more years to complete her education in order to do so, then YES!!! If she gives birth to a child she cannot properly care for at that time, that birth will limit her providing not only for that child but for all her subsequent children.