CO2 levels higher than any time in last 800,000 years

You just can't help yourself posting idiotic logical fallacies, can you?

 

Chaotic behavior has more to do to do with predictability, not understanding. We understand how tornados form and the conditons they are most likely to occur but don't I know enough to predict exactly where they will land. We know the exact make up of the SA fault in California but earth quake activity is always a probability.

What ever stuff you're trying to promote is pretty obscure. You have to be conspiracy theorist too. Still think all of the universities in the world and govts. in the free world all dumb. No, it's just the idiots in th GOP and the idiots they represent. Still don't trust t NASA ?

 

Is that a known known or an unknown known that is known to be unknown. LOL

 

Glad to see this is all about politics for you rather than science.

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That is about the extent of your capabilities isn't it?

 

do you mean the list that included dead people and scientists like scary spice?

I am not aware of it being a crime to disagree with climate change, but tbh, people in positions to influence policy who deny it probably SHOULD be considered as accessories to a crime. The outcome of their machinations WILL have significant negative impacts on not only humans, but many other species as well.

 

from your question i gather that science is not the only area you have difficulty. "control" and "influence" do not have the same meaning.

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Some are ignorant, but many, if not most, are trolls

 

i don't understand why you are saying this. Unless you have been living under a rock for the last thirty years.

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Your source?

 

About 12,000 short years ago, an ice age ended. Where I'm writing from was covered by a mile thick glacier. Billions of cubic meters of ice melted and receded. Why? Let's hear what the gwnj's taught you to say about that!

 

You evidently are not aware that there is a debate about the science that is ongoing because you evidently believe the political position that the science is settled and believe the political position that we are all doomed. By all means, persecute those heretics that point out inconvenient truths.

 

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman gave the game away when he explained that they would be pursuing completely different theories in different jurisdictions -- some under pension laws, some consumer protection, some securities fraud. It is traditional, when a crime has actually been committed, to first establish that a crime has occurred, and then identify a perpetrator. When prosecutors start running that process backwards, it’s a pretty good sign that you’re looking at prosecutorial power run amok.

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Some here would be entirely comfortable with McCarthy.

 

CO2 is plant food. The more if it you have, the more plant growth you get. When the dinosaurs were walking the Earth, CO2 was way higher than it was now and the planet was a giant tropical rainforest with abundant food.

 

I said it because it is true.
1. There is NOT 'clear evidence' of this claim.
2. We do NOT have 'absolute truth' for the last 800,000 yrs of global temperatures.
3. The claim is absurd & unsubstantiated.
4. It is speculative, at best, & deceptive, at worst.
5. It is NOT settled science, & it attacks the foundation of the Scientific Method, pitching propaganda instead of science.

 

As shown by the above post, a troll stops talking of the topic to focus on posters.

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Thank you.

 

Wrong on all counts.....you are batting a thousand. Lol

 

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. ~Christopher Hitchens

 

Thankfully AGW has tons of evidence

 

I would say unfortunately AGW has tons (about 29 gigatons actually) of evidence. Anyone that thinks AGW is a good thing is a fool.

 

Having evidence of it allows for action. The worst scenario is an unknown potential disaster

 

From a scientific point of view, my understanding is that the ice age is not technically over yet.

But in any case, I am not sure why you think this is relevant. The scientists who study climate change are quite aware of the previous warming/cooling cycles, and can explain factors likely to have influenced these.

can you share what you know about the last glacial period, and what you know about its causes?

I would be most interested to hear how familiar you are with climate science. So far it seems you are only sure of your own opinion.

 

wrong.

You need to review the type of sources you get your information from.

in general, it is unwise to rely on those who have primarily a political agenda, or economic interests at heart, for ANY kind of information if you are interested in truth.

 

which may explain your response to my post.

i was merely stating facts, and not referring to any specific posters.

i do find it curious that so many posters on forums such as these appear to be quite ignorant when there is so much evidence from reliable sources freely available.

that would suggest that when discussing this issue, the trolls far outweigh the ignorant.

 

what debate?

Do you mean the one manufactured by lobbyists and the media?

That one isn't about the science, its about convincing the public ... and the denialists are falling behind on that one!

 

the evidence re adverse impacts of climate change is already starting to accumulate, and given that there is a significant lag time, those who have acted in ways to slow down the process of addressing this issue have and are contributing to environmemtal vandalism, species extinction, crop failure, damage to property and people, spread of disease ... and probably lots more.

i am not talking about people like you holding opinions, just big players who use or have used their influence to prevent policies being implemented. Usually for their own economic interest, screw the rest of the world.

A bit like the architects of the GFC.

 

Cycles of the sun are responsible for the earths climate. That's a pretty big thing to compete with. You're right about the ice age, in the sense that there are still massive ice caps on earth. There have been periods where the earth has been devoid of any ice at all, just as there have been periods where the earth was a giant ice ball.
Locally, man is poisonous to his environment, globally, we have very little, if any effect at all.

 

really? Are cycles of the sun the only thing responsible for naturally occurring changes to the earth's climate?