Reality check for Trump supporters

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  1. For Topical Use Only

    For Topical Use Only Well-Known Member

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    Death or Islam?

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    snakestretcher Banned

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    Respect has to be earned, not demanded; that's something America needs to learn. Nobody respected Bush; they tolerated him as an amiable but feckless buffoon.
     
  3. Jahnny B

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    Where we disagree is this.

    If I want you to respect me the person I agree that respect is earned. But I don't care who you are, you will respect the president. You don't have to respect the person but you will respect that office and position. When the president tells another foreign leader to not do another act of war, then he does it, that is disrespect to that office and Obama the person in that office tucked his tail and ran. Like any working man, you don't have to respect your supervisor but you will respect his position of authority
     
  4. theferret

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    All you're doing is just elaborating on the erroneous opinion laden nonsense you previously posted. You ask what facts....I ask where the hell have you been the last 20 plus years? the S&L scandal? The Wall St. debacle? The mortgage scam by banks? Does the Shrubs laws regarding prescription drug prices ring a bell? The laws protecting corporations from getting sued for faulty products? the disaster of "trickle-down" economics (aka reganomics)? Corporate tax cuts? You say blame those who create the laws? Do your homework regarding what went down under the Bush family and Reagan with healthy assistance from GOP Congress!

    Possibly the most absurd dodge/excuse is your trying to equate the Bush bankruptcy laws with this never ending attempt by the GOP to "get" Clinton on Benghazi via some e-mail crap....TWO failed senate investigation attempts (GOP led and controlled) so far. How in the hell does that equated with passing a law that makes it harder for a victim of down sizing & outsourcing to declare bankruptcy, while clowns like Trump made his career by doing so? THINK, man, THINK!

    Bottom line: you cannot logically or factually disprove the OP or any links I provided to support it. Instead, you make excuses for the very people who are SCREWING YOU IN THE WALLET, and a candidate of whose hotels YOU CAN'T AFFORD. Jeez, you must like being a doormat. I don't, that's why I rather support a candidate who would at least make the effort to rectify the laws that allow such....and I ain't talk'in about Hillary!
     
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    The man don't make the job. The job makes the man.
     
  6. theferret

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    Nice smoke screen...a pitiful excuse for the FACT that Trump makes claims that are NOT quite true. Folk like you love to gripe about bad laws that create a "nanny state" and "entitle" freeloaders. Yet you bend over with glee at the very mention of the inherited rich or corporations that stick it to you via outsourcing/downsizing and gaming the system...because YOU make up the difference in the national coffers via your taxes and taxed items.

    Trump is part of that bad system, and he is seeking to guide it. THAT is the problem, and if you're serious, then YOU should NOT vote for him.
     
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    Nope, sorry. I don't feel obligated to have respect demanded of me irrespective of someone's elevated 'status' or their position-especially if they aren't my elected representative.
     
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    Whether Trump is part of the bad system or not.....is not the problem. He's done nothing illegal by using the system.

    The only analogy I can think of right now is equating Trump with those collecting Employment Insurance, or welfare. EI and welfare system are in place for a reason. It's totally legal to use these services repeatedly over the years as long as you're legally entitled to it.
    Some of them repeatedly collect over the years, don't they?

    However, some abuse the EI and welfare system. Are you saying all the folks that are truly deserving of help are part of the bad system? That they're the ones at fault because the system is faulty?

    Your problem is with the system.
     
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    Whats pathetic are posts like this that have nothing to do with what you quoted. I get it, you simply cannot admit the guy failed at anything. Luckilly we dont need you to agree with it, we've already had a foreign poster tell us that here, 7 years into the reign of the guy wyho was going to turn the US Image aorund....that we are still the laughing stock of the world.
    Thats a failure...like your post.
     
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    BS. And I'll prove it. If you had to go to court for any reason, traffic violation, arrestable offense, witness testimony.... Etc. I'll guarantee you that you will refer to the judge as "your honor" or "sir/ma'am". If any president came into contact with you I guarantee that you would call them "mr president/sir/ma'am". Those are all signs of demanded respect due to an elevated position.

    The entitlement attitude that has swept this nation is rediculous.
     
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    A system fixed to screw you, which you excuse.
     
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    Why would anybody think Trump supporters need a "reality check"?

    They don't even understand the concept of "reality".

    They deny "reality" every time they are confronted with evidence that invalidates their "Trump will win" delusion.

    A Trump supporter's idea of "reality" is getting into an internet flame war based on their position that 1+1=3.

    Using Trump supporters and "reality" in the same sentence? :roflol:
     
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    Self-made, my behind. He began with a million dollar loan from daddy. Pere Drumpf also arranged several more millions in loans for the dumold. I wish I was THAT self-made.
     
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    He's not even really a billionaire. He only has about 300 mil in disposable cash. Compare that to Hillary's war chest of what experts estimate will reach 1.3 billion. He has no chance against Hillary OR Bernie. Heck, Al Gore could beat him right now. I'll be laughing my ass off on election night watching Karl Rove sputtering "It ain't over yet!"
     
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    Turning a million into billions does make him a self-made billionaire. All other establishment candidates have been busy racking up trillions of dollars of national debt, lining their own and their corporate masters' pockets with the loot and sticking the American taxpayers with the bill. . How is that for a contrast?
     
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    Good grief you drumpfbots are hilarious, willing to accept this buffoon as genuine.

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    Yep. He turned a million dollar loan into billions. Liberal politicians have during the same timeframe racked up trillions in national debt and sent millions of well paying american jobs to China.
     
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    Are you for real or smoking some serious stuff? Or is this yet another example of neocon/*********/fibbertarian revisionism with regards to terminology? Pay attention: a "self-made" man is someone who DOES NOT inherit a million dollars....they MAKE THEIR FIRST MILLION BASED SOLELY ON THEIR OWN LABOR AND INGENUITY! Trump is nowhere near that definition. He is an ELITIST! You know, the people YOU and your like minded ilk railed and wailed against during the 2008 and 2012 election periods? So once again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    You can't afford to stay in any of Trump's hotels...his bankruptcy claims stuck it to the state taxes for his failures while he went on to make millions. THIS IS WHAT YOU DEFEND. You must love being a door mat.
     
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    He is clearly a self-made billionaire which is what I stated. He did not inherit billions, he turned one borrowed million into billions. This is quite an accomplishment, don't you think? You'd probably fail and lose every penny of one million or ten millions if you had that kind of money and he multiplied it thousands of times over.

    And I don't support him for his hotels or his wealth, this the obsession of the lunatic left, I merely correct their lies. I support him for his views on immigration, jobs, trade agreements etc.
     
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    Sorry borat, but as the post shows, you just ignore reality for your own version and definitions. So be it....I leave you to your silly mantras and revisionism.
     
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    All the best to you too my friend in your future hair spitting endeavours :)
     
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    a "self-made" man is someone who DOES NOT inherit a million dollars....they MAKE THEIR FIRST MILLION BASED SOLELY ON THEIR OWN LABOR AND INGENUITY! Trump is nowhere near that definition. He is an ELITIST! You know, the people YOU and your like minded ilk railed and wailed against during the 2008 and 2012 election periods? So once again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    You can't afford to stay in any of Trump's hotels...his bankruptcy claims stuck it to the state taxes for his failures while he went on to make millions. THIS IS WHAT YOU DEFEND. You must love being a door mat.

    Say goodnight, Gracie!
     
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    Is the difference between self-made billionaire and self-made man too subtle for you to understand? I keep hinting that you are making a fool of yourself and you keep stepping into it. He wasn't a billionaire when he started and he is now he has made billions.

    And he did not inherit a million dollars, he borrowed a million, earned his own first million, BASED SOLELY ON THEIR OWN LABOR AND INGENUITY, just like you suggested. He then paid back the debt and proceeded to make billions. A man who borrows a million and turns it into billions has every right to be called a self-made man as well but let's leave it at his amazing and unquestionable accomplishment of turning one million of borrowed dollars into a multi-billion dollar empire and brand.

    So once again, happy hair splitting and straw-man fighting to you buddy.
     
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    I love it when willfully ignorant parrots just squawk on without a shred of proof or actual knowledge of the subject they are carry on about. For your education: Trump's father, Fred, made a sizable fortune by building and selling housing for American soldiers and their families in World War II. It was at his father's real estate company that Donald got his start in business. Fred Trump died in 1999 with an estimated net wealth between $250 million and $450 million. Most of this money was made when Donald was in high school and college from the real estate business. It is estimated Trump received an inheritance worth between $40 million and $200 million from his father's estate.

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    That Trump received an inheritance in 1999 is not in dispute. That he started working for himself in 25 years earlier, in the 1970s, borrowed $1 million from his dad and turned it into billions is not debateable either. By 1999 when his father died Donald J. Trump already was a self-made man. LOL

    Keep trying to split hairs and fight straw men. It's a huge fail so far but who knows, you may succeed some day.
     

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