Should all restrooms be degendered?

Should all restrooms be degendered? With all the genderqueer debates, why not just degender the bathrooms. No more problems.

 

Redesigning restrooms is probably a great idea, period. That would help with a lot of issues.

 

No keep them as they are

 

As long as they are single bathrooms with locks. Lot's of sickos out there.

 

Exactly, the end of problems, except the idiotic people that just wanna fight, will be disappointed.

 

No, many public restrooms are at isolated locations such as at parks. The only safeguard for girls and females is that someone of the few people around might see a man going into or a group of females seeing a man hanging out in the ladies restrooms. These are group size restrooms for many people, not individual lockable restrooms, plus some even have open showers.

They are not easily or even possible to convert to numerous individual bathrooms. Converting all large public bathrooms to individual bathrooms not only would cost billions, but most structures literally do not have the room to do so without a total remodeling of the facility costing tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

WORSE, "lockable" public bathrooms would be a TRUE disaster AND for obvious reasons:
1. They will become housing for bums.
2. A girl or woman could be dragged into that bathroom, the assailant locking the door, and then she has no chance that anyone will hear her, enter and come to her rescue, nor would she be able to escape.

Lockable public bathrooms would become the perfect rape locations and housing for bums.

There IS a reason why bathroom stalls are open at the bottom and have crummy flip locks anyone can kick in or just slide something up to open the latch. It is to keep anyone from being able to hide in or live in them.

PUBLIC, LOCKABLE BATHROOMS IS AS ABSURD AND INDANGERING AN IDEA AS IS POSSIBLE.

When it comes to this trans-rights stuff, the level of absurity goes OFF-THE-CHARTS.

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No, they would become housing for bums and the perfect rape locations.

 

This a typical design of a PUBLIC bathroom (as opposed to private bathroom at a business, which is only quasi-public and with employees to monitor it.)

They are ALWAYS keep as OPEN as possible, not only without locking doors but even the absolute bare minimal privacy TO PREVENT PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM, HIDING IN THEM, AND ASSAULTING PEOPLE IN THEM.

Put doors with locks on that facility and it immediately becomes the housing for bums and the IDEAL rape location. Drag a child or person into it, lock the door, and that person cannot even hope to be rescued or heard.

 

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You are being silly, as a Police Officer, I can tell you that many women have been raped regardless of whether or not the bathroom had locks or not or even if there was a bathroom or not.

I have prevented numerous rapes and none fit your criteria.

Bums don't seem very keen on taking up residence in public bathrooms, it is not legal, and they get kicked out.

You arguments are specious and irrelevant and incompetent.

How can you believe such things ?

Bottom line, you don't want a solution, you want a fight.
Fighting will help no one, finding a solution will, and I recommended a fine solution.

 

Because those couples that sit on top of each other in the booth will have to sit on top of each other when they pee too....and women take too damn long to go to the bathroom. They will just clog up the line and assuming that I want to pretend I am washing my hands, I would have to stand in line behind them at the mirror for that too. It is terribly inefficient. Go to a concert with your buddies, and you are all peed and in the car in 15 minutes. Go with girls and you can add 10 minutes on top of that for each girl in your group. 1 girl=25 minutes; 2 girls=35 minutes 4 girls=you are spending the night

 

As a peace officer myself I can tell you that men are caught stalking inside bathrooms and bums caught sleeping in them. They are caught because they are called in by the public. And they are caught when the park restrooms are locked down when the park closes. Locked open during park hours. I have caught them myself. It is common.

BUT, YOU - as a self declared experts - claim that the designers of every public facilities in the USA for over 100 years have all been idiots in their designing them to not allow hiding places.

It is the transactivists that want to fight.

 

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The status quo should remain.

 

You are who wants to fight, although you have suffered no harm and are not who you would put at risk.

 

Surely there are more good men in this world than bad ones right? Could it be safer for women to have those good men using the same restrooms? Maybe keeping women isolated in women's restrooms creates opportunity for perverts.


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The idea is to take chance out of the equation.
The narcissists will fight this simple solution tooth & claw, it threatens their power & control baloney outlook on life.

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No one is put at risk by having individual bathrooms, only your pride or hubris is put at risk.
Then you have no idea what harm I have suffered.
Because I have, at a very young age too.

 

I am so sorry that at a young age as a boy you so terribly suffered because you were not allowed to use the girl's bathroom and locker room, which is the topic of this thread.

(No, not really. Yes, I am aware of your incessant sobbing about your youth on the forum. How many decades ago was that? I suspect you have used that as an excuse your entire life and clearly enjoy declaring yourself a perpetual victim of your past.)

Lockable, individual public bathrooms is an absolutely absurd idea, which is why for 100+ years in the entire United States they have been designed to allow no hiding places and to be as visually open - while still allow some visual privacy. Why? Because they aren't idiots and understand the issues and dangers of public bathrooms.

 

So you just outright want men alone in public restrooms with girls and women because most men are "good men" and outnumber the millions of rapists and pedophiles. Therefore, most of the time those females won't be harassed, abused and assaulted.

What ratio of not being assaulted to being assaulted upon the ratio of good to bad men do you think is acceptable? Abused or assaulted on 1 out of 50 times using a public restroom? 1 out of 100 times? What is your acceptable rape-ratio?

Are you in the EU where the goal is an acceptable number of women raped and assaulted by "refugees" in public policy because most refugees and immigrants are "good men?"

 

Once again, not ONE person can present ONE incident of a "transwomen" being assaulted by men in the men's bathroom. Not one person has presented any harm or need to legalize men in ladies-only public bathrooms.

 

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You are a narcissist and do not care about anyone.

You also have zero idea about me or how I have progressed, not that you would or should care anyway, you simply want to bully people and force them to shut up, you hardly want others to learn from the past, so these situations are not repeated and people do learn from the past.

You are another hater that gets off on haunting this forum and bashing people you do not like.
Not that I care, however, people like you should be identified for what they are, bigots and promoters of organized bigotry.

Go cherry pick your Bigot-Tree.

 

You're declaring anyone who doesn't support men in public ladies restrooms or private lockable public rape-rooms is a bigot is absurd.

The narcissisms is what is in your messages about yourself, incessantly sobbing you were ruined for life because you had an abusive father as something you now inject into virtually every topic to make it about you, even if the topic isn't about you at all.

Millions and millions and millions of people were abused in their youth, overwhelmingly having nothing to do with LGTB rights, including being sexually assaulted and/or severely beaten routinely. Most people are capable of going on with their life and opt not to accept a lifelong definition as a victim. Your messages tell of you deciding to live a life of clinging onto victimhood as an excuse.

Using your self definition (so this isn't a personal insult but the self definition you posted about yourself), being treated badly in your youth didn't force you to be an overweight couch potato, did it? The curious aspect is while you seem to want to battle on the forum over topics, you clearly appear to have had no interest in fighting against victimhood but instead decided to embrace it - as an excuse for laziness in my opinion.

If all the abuse suffered in their youth by every active member was added up, it is possible that even collectively it would not match mine. However, I am 100% not like you. I never accepted the definition of being a victim. The only person who could put that label on me is myself and that would be absurd (though so many people really want to see themselves a victims for excuses and seeking pity). Instead, any acquired knowledge and benefits from my youth I brought forward and developed. Anything negative I left behind. No one defeated me, obviously, because I survived - meaning that I won.

As a result of that attitude and how it directed my life, my life is far, far more successful than many or most people, and probably would not be as much so without that past. It hardened me, gave me real perspective about the realities of life, to live in actual reality, recognize people for who they really are, and take nothing for granted nor expecting anything for free from anyone. I have little patience for people who seek pity claiming to be psychologically crippled and needy because of their past. I do not see myself as a worker bee of the social hive, nor am gullible to the popular slogans of the year. The team I am on is my team - the people of my own nuclear circle and myself.

You told of your horrible, unbearable abuse that has crippled you and defines you to yourself. You had a somewhat violently abusive father who ridiculed you because you were effeminate. That is what you have posted about your past. I have known dozens and dozens of youths who suffered 1000 times more abuse.

Of those who survived, including myself, I know of none who then spent their life with their face in their hands sobbing how they have been ruined for life. Rather, they celebrate and even are proud that they survived, seeing themselves as winners out of it, not destroyed-for-life losers perpetually self-victimized. As adults, men should put on their big-boy pants (or transwoman panties) and go on with his life leaving the negative aspects of his past behind. By your messages who has been victimizing you all these decades is yourself - and you seem to thing that gives you special points and consideration, plus excuses.

The narcissism you refer to is found by reading your own messages.

 

You are good at showing your true colors, I am not crippled or a couch potato, and I am sure that the many citations that were conferred on me prove enough about my conduct.

You are a pathetic bully that revels in painting others in a false light, however, you fail to do so in my case, if you really knew who I am and my fine legacy of accomplishments and public service, you would feel quite foolish.

In any case, you have fooled nobody with your Anti Gay agenda,
Carry on.

 

I'm living in Germany and France. Yes, we have lockable single person restrooms which are closed from the bottom to the roof. I feel extremely uncomfortable in these half public everybody-can-look-into American restrooms. Our rooms are seperated by gender and I would prefer let that like it is with a few exceptions: on beer festivals or other public gatherings where the lines in front of the girl's room must be measured in kilometers, not meters (miles, not feet), it is a matter of courtesy that guys let girls into their holy grails. Then again those rooms will become pure male territory, complaint free zones, nobody ranting abouit someone peeing in standing or reading PLAYBOY for a few hours. I can also live without opening a small dust bin and seeing bloody, slimy remains of something, nobody knows if it is still moving or not. In addition those girls temporarily being permitted to use boy's facilities all report that the dirty jokes and insults, written on toilet doors are much more ugly and disgusting on the girl's side. My opinion: Those dirty things all belong to the other side, not on my side. My side is clean. It should stay that way.

 

*shrug* Worked for Ally McBeal. I'd prefer to leave that decision up to the folks that own the room.



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You can't even post rationally given your false assertion that transsexuals are gay, ie you're the bigot and even a bigot against transsexuals claiming they are gay. But no surprise there given your levels of hatred in your messages.

As for your self definition, candidly I have come to believe little you post as you appear to be defining yourself now all different ways to fit whatever narrative you are trying to make at the moment. Not that rare on forums.

Your contempt of women is noted.

You would never succeed in what you advocate for here. Rather than spending millions of dollars to demolish the many public outdoor bathrooms for the purpose of replacing them with micro sleeping rooms for bums and privacy rape-rooms, they would instead eliminate the bathrooms all together, just bulldoze them down. This certainly is what we would urge if such a requirement were made law - and we carry some weight around, particularly since some are in my jurisdiction to monitor.

They stopped building new public bathrooms here for the increasingly expanding number of new parks, hiking trails and so forth some years ago due to how difficult they are to maintain in terms of being clean, maintained and in security. They are challenging enough being open facilities and if they became collections of little lockable rooms the task would be impossible. This area in general attracts a lot of bums and they cause a lot of problems and a lot of crimes. There isn't a chance in hell that little lockable rooms all over the area are going to be built for them. They also are increasingly adding gated entry fees and reducing park hours now to address the problem of bums taking up residence.

Your mega-billion dollar call would be bum-heaven and the wet dream come true of pedophiles and rapists. It won't happen here. Ever. Irregardless of any laws. They'd just eliminate public restrooms.

 

Well one in four women are already sexually assaulted in the US, so clearly something isn't working. Of those one in four 80% were by people they knew, not strangers in bathrooms.

 

Are you talking about all public restrooms are individually locking full bathrooms with a sink, or lockable stalls closed top to bottom? Does this include all putdoor park restrooms as complete, individual full bathrooms each with their own sink?