What are Progressive Values?

That is nothing but a list.
What is sexual morality? How does it get defined?

 

I see by this list you appear bitter. Let me state how I see it.
Not destroy. Just don't force all people to live by them. But christians can certainly keep them.

Not promote. But accept and work with non traditional families so they can be better providers.

No clue what the heck this is

The personhood is determined by the mother. Been that way for 40+ years. Still arguing stuff 40 yrs old?

Letting gays have same marriage rights as straits isn't promoting. Sounds like a butt hurt statement.

You're starting to lose control.

Yep you are.

Lost it. WTF are you talking about. But with air travel, internet speeds, the world is indeed small and many cultures are blending.

I don't think you got 1 thing right.
Now some far out their types may be for some of what you said, but the same is true for far right nut cases. They would like nothing more than a return to the 1800s ways.

 

I'm just don't think Jesus fits the definition of what is considered progressive today. Nor would he necessarily be a conservative.
Jesus can't, IMO, be put in a box of our definitions.
I've often wondered how we came to have so many different denominations. I don't have an answer but I think it might be that different people are at different places in life and beliefs, so God will meet them where they are, so to speak. Humans can't completely understand His ways so we create what we think, or want His ways to be. They aren't all wrong but they aren't all right either. There are things about every denomination and every Christian that Jesus wouldn't be pleased with. But He knew it would be this way and He loves ALL of us anyway.
I see it the same way with political parties. They all have some of His traits, but neither has a monopoly.
But because we want to think 'our side' does have that monopoly, we refuse to come together or even compromise.
We are, after all, human. Jesus is fully aware if this.

 

I didn't use the term progressive, I said liberal. They are similar.

I agree, somewhat, we have so many denominations because people take things differently from the bible. Some do to the changing times. Especially in recent years. Many new denominations sprung up in the last 200 yrs. Prior to that only a handful

God of the NT will meet people on their terms. IMO as well. God changed with the NT and the founding of christianity. Most won't admit it but it is pretty obvious.

I see religions becoming more personal than doctrine related. Each has their own take on what Jesus means.

 

They are not interchangeable. Most democrats are liberals.

 

I condone very little and condemn even less. I judge all things and tolerate most of it.

Do you condemn everything you don't condone?

 

One can't 'see, feel, hear nothing' without consciously limiting their own access to the available information.

 

I believe you can find all the relevant information in here....

 

lol! Hardly. Libertarians are liberals.

 

So I have to explain the difference between a classical European liberal and a modern American liberal and remind you which meaning makes more logical sense in this discussion, in this forum?

 

Since there is no chance of changing the minds of die-hards, I won't get into an endless series of rebuttals and counter evidence.

I do find it silly to make claims that the great communist dictators (certainly Pol Pot as you claim) were not "real communists." Pol Pot was a communist since 1951, called himself one, led like one, and was one of the purest communists in history. Just because another group of Vietnamese communists took him from power because he killed off every Vietnamese-speaking and ethnic person he could find does not make him any less of one.

And of course the pinnacle of absurdity is bash one group for being the worst form of humankind a "holocaust denier" and then being just the same as a "holodomor denier" and expecting your biased claims that "it didn't really happen" or that "Stalin was innocent of it" or that "it was just part of nature" is quite laughable. Famines in the post industrial world occur when wicked governments block the movements of goods and people. And the last time I checked, your great hero Stalin was in charge of the Ukraine back in the 1930's.

http://humanrights4all-africa.blogspot.com/2005/11/is-famine-man-made-or-natural-disaster.html

 

That sounds very prejudiced.

 

Which just shows your ignorance of modern liberalism. There is a communist faction and they are in the political wilderness.

It is as easy as pie to tune into liberal discussions to see what mainstream liberals think about communism. Or, instead of actually taking a little time to look for yourself, you could just believe what conservative commentators tell you about their political opponents.

 

True. So how about some examples then. From your personal experiences. You seem to agree with the poster I was responding to.
Tell is your personal experiences on how you are so mistreated.

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Just gots to laugh at how some lie to make a point.

 

Hitler was a capitalist. Your opinions on economics are a different thing from your opinion on murdering a ton of people. You can have any combination of opinions on those things.

There's actually a very big difference between denying an industrialized and well-documented intentional effort to wipe out multiple populations and noticing that it's absurd to claim that a famine that effected an entire country in a famine prone region was an attempt to wipe out a single population.

Yes, I'm biased. So are you. So is everyone.

I have provided academic and credible sources. You have not. Rebut my arguments or don't.

That would be a relevant comment if the USSR was industrialized in 1930.

I don't regard Stalin as a hero. I regard him as a flawed individual who often confused his own interests with the country's interests. I just don't think that he was a monster, and I think that his accomplishments in industrializing the USSR and ending the Nazi threat outweigh the things he did wrong.

Humanity produces enough food. Capitalism keeps it among those who can afford it. Africa suffers because of it.

Look at any socialist revolution and you'll see that they bring up the standard of living and prosperity immensely, while setting their country on the path to the greatest development they've ever seen.

 

Getting stabbed in the back and lied to by the majority of Progressive Radio hosts and liars like Bill Maher, Rachael Maddow and Michael Moore who are Democrat Party media prostitutes.

Take the money and run Mr. Maher and Ms. Maddow - your core media whore bought and paid for MOCKINGBIRD values are in full view. William Safire would be envious of the tens of millions of dollars people like you and Jon Stewart received.

 

'Progressive Values' as you put it - is when Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Robert DeNiro, Bruce Springsteen, and Bono raise money at Democratic Party fundraisers after Pres. Obama and Hillary Clinton slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people in Libya and Syria by arming terrorists there and bombing indiscrimately after providing Al Queda w/ air cover. Message to "the Boss": thats called treason.

 

Denial is not a river in Egypt ...



from the previous linked artcle;

Reality of Obama's failure
The Five Stages of Liberal Grief for Obama

By Daniel Greenfield


"5. Acceptance

Obama lied to me. He lied to all of us. He didn’t really care about any of the things, he said he cared about. I just feel so used. We’ll never get any real reform in this country because everything is in the hands of the big corporations. Maybe Hillary would have been better? Or what about John Edwards, he had great hair and solid progressive credentials, and then we dumped him for a half-black man who kept telling us everything would be alright if we just believed in him. John, come back! We still love you. I don’t care how many illegitimate babies you made! Oh to hell with this. I hate politics. I’m erasing my DailyKos diary and going backpacking in the Andes.

Coming out of a cocoon of propaganda isn’t easy. And those most affected by it are not the rank and file, who have enough contact with the real world to figure out that things are going south, long before the loyalist cadres do. The average Russian knew the Soviet Union was impoverished long before the mid-level party members who thought that things were great, because their lifestyle was above that of the average worker. The average German soldier knew the war was lost, because his battalion kept retreating. All the while the Nazi elite were still listening to Hitler promise that the war would be won with superweapons."


http://canadafreepress.com/article/the-five-stages-of-liberal-grief-for-obama

 

Amongst others .... Ahem!

President Killary
Would The World Survive President Hillary?

by Paul Craig Roberts

"Hillary is a war-monger. She pushed the Obama regime into the destruction of a stable and largely cooperative government in Libya where the “Arab Spring” was a CIA-backed group of jihadists who were used to dislodge China from its oil investments in eastern Libya. She urged her husband to bomb Yugoslavia. She pushed for “regime change” in Syria. She oversaw the coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Honduras. She brought neoconservative Victoria Nuland, who arranged the coup that overthrew the democratically elected president of Ukraine, into the State Department. Hillary has called President Vladimir Putin of Russia the “new Hitler.” Hillary as president guarantees war and more war."

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/04/13/president-killary-paul-craig-roberts/

 

And their Democrat belief system and support base could very well be ephemeral ...


'RIGGED' appears to be the operative word in U.S. political coverage these days ...






Hillary Clinton’s support base as bogus as US Democracy


By Eric Draitser | April 20, 2016


"This phenomenon is not relegated only to Clinton’s campaign, however; this is true of most of America’s leading political figures. In 2013, it was revealed President Obama’s Twitter following was made up of a majority (53 percent) fake accounts. The Daily Mail at the time noted that Vice President Joe Biden, First Lady Michelle Obama, and the White House communications shop all had online followings consisting of mainly non-existent people. So too did the State Department under Hillary Clinton, which spent at least $630,000 to buy Facebook likes, essentially manufacturing a public following for itself.

But who cares, right? What does it matter if Twitter accounts and Facebook likes are fraudulent? How does that impact anything other than social media image?

How social media manipulation serves the Establishment agenda

Twitter, Facebook, and other social media have become very potent tools in the arsenal of the US Government as it wages a relentless information war in the service of the military-industrial complex and the agenda of the elite. In fact, social media goes far beyond just an image. Today, it has been made into an effective tool for the dissemination of misinformation and disinformation that conveniently buttresses whatever narrative the establishment wants."



https://alethonews.wordpress.com/2016/04/20/hillary-clintons-support-base-as-bogus-as-us-democracy/

 

Democrats are more liberal than progressive, particularly democratic politicians because of their belief that the more power in the bureaucracy the better. Progressives very often see the government as much an ill as a blessing at times.

 

...What the hell?

Why did you think this was even slightly relevant? Why did you feel the need to post this when it has nothing to do with anything I said?

 

I agree to progressively, promote the general welfare.

 

What free stuff should the fed government NOT give out?