No mate. I didn't vote for those parties for the last 60 years. I didn't vote for any of them before we joined the EU and I haven't voted for any of them since we joined the EU. The EU referendum will be my first ever vote. There was no EU in Thatcher and De Gaulles day. That was in Thatchers case the EEC. European Economic Community. A free trade zone/customs union between the top 7 economies in Europe. And in DeGualles case the ECSC the European Coal and Steel Community. A losers club from WW2. We joined the EU when it was formed in 1993. (Maastricht Treaty). Tony Blair signed the Lisbon Treaty in 2007. Despite his and every other political party twice having stood on the election promise not to do so before giving us a referendum. I appreciate that the EU has been good for the peoples of Ireland and Portugal, but I'm not from Ireland or Portugal. That said, even the people of Ireland voted "No". (Just as the people of France did too).
We're quite already in a hard time in my opinion. See the stae of our unemployment rate, all these countries of the south of Europe who are in such a sad situation, etc, etc... It's getting worsen and worsen, so that the main question is to know when it will completly crash - I don't know if it will finish by a kind of war (not 100% impossible, in my opinion - context look more and more near to how it was in the last one), the end of a quite strong Europe, or something like that... Then, I think this kind of event won't appear in a short time - our leaders need time to destroy Europe; but we can see that it began - I hope europeans will wake up before a disaster.
The time just before European Union was very good, full of good ideas. One have to stay with the 3 first communities who where linking European countries without toutching that much to their soverainty. The countries where quite staying very independants, there was no problems with a lack of democracy, we didn't already had states wich where unable to integrate, there wasen't already so much countries like nowdays, etc... We gone too far... And then, most of our politicians want to continue in this sens. This is stupid. One need to make an European Union with less influence one european states or to make EU dispear because it's now a failure. Then, England join only when it was starting to spin... It make it even more understandable that they see how much EU is a failure. In other countries, there still people who continue to see EU as a good thing, describing the advantages who was given before it went bad.
Up to about 1995 I was persuadable but I'm way past being open-minded towards the EU anymore. England joined the EEC because England was broke. We aren't broke now. I'm not saying that is a co-incidence but it's not beyond my imagination that the two have been connected. I don't have all the answers. Time will tell.
Well your flag icons are not 1 but 2 European flags, so excuse me for presuming you're in Europe. The rest of your post is so obviously partial (I wonder why, when you live in Ireland? Don't bother to answer that because I couldn't be less interested!) not to mention desperate that I'm not going to address it. 'Empty pathos filled with words based on zero substance.' How poetic!
You're obviously a thoughtful woman, Clarisse, but I'm sure we both hope it will be social unrest rather than all-out war. And yet to think of the simpletons who have always advocated that the main advantage of the EU project is that 'It will prevent any more European wars.' I mean, the irony of that, if the worst happens? I'll always remember the other main advantage they gave - that it would save them having to convert any residual foreign currencies back into their home currencies 'when they return from holiday'.
Then, most of the time, it's better to avoid saying it may finish in a war because 9/10 people look you with big eyes like if you where crazy, thinking that this kind of thing can't happen again... People though the same after the WWI, saying it was la der des der (the last of the last)... But people don't care about what's happened before and don't understand that history is always reapeting... I also hope there will be "only" social troubles, it the better that could happen, but if one continue don't making anything, it won't be like that. We had the same propaganda here: if Europe is in peace, it's thanks EU, they say... No, it's maybe thanks the communities who have been made before EU and thanks the fact that most of european stades are traumatized by this war. One can't imagine Germany of nowdays act like in the 30's, for exemple... This isn't thank EU of nowdays... Ahah, same here !... All the people who are pro-euro tell about lazy reasons like the fact they don't want to change monney when they go outside, so that euro is better ... They are unable to see the bad consequences in our country and his citizens...
Ahah , it's nice to see we're not the only one to think so! We just have to hope more and more people in Europe will wake up - and it look to be the case. I hope it will continue!
EU is a highly Socialist institution and how anyone even dares calling themselves "Liberal" but at the same support Socialist transfers and Central ruling is beyond me. At most (preferably not at all) tthe EU should only and solely ensure thee saftey of its citizens but even at this, they suck horse d-ck.
