It looks now the various Sunni fractions fighting in Iraq and Syria will loose against the Russian-Shia Alliance. every town retaken by Shia groundforces, erase simply each city. If this Rebell and Terrorist fractions loose, what will happen with the Millions of Sunnis... 1. They got like in Iraq after US-Withdraw, discrimination and massimprisonment, and Shia Death Squads on the street killing each night young men... 2. The air and artellery-bombing kills simply hole cities, the rural population will be just within one year cleansed.
No one cares about genocide. Millions of Christians have been slaughtered and the world yawns. It's no big deal.
I see nothing wrong with killing these extremist Islamic Jihad and strict sharia loving Sunni men. They are a plague on humanity. These "young men" want to force their Strict Sharia beliefs on others through physical violence, coercion, imprisonment or death. There is a difference between 1) having a religious belief and 2) wanting to force that religious belief on others through violence. Those that engage in (2) and/or support those who are engaging in (2) ... have no right to complain when those they want to persecute fight back. "Do unto other as you would have them do to you". If you do not want others to force their religious beliefs on you through violence then do not do the same to others.
You're absolutely right and ISIS wants to enforce their perversion of Islam on Christians, Druze, Yazidi, Shia and Sunni.
If the OP is correct and they are erasing the entire town then they will not just be killing ISIS but also the people who have been kept prisoner by the ISIS take over of their town. If the OP is true, it sounds like a kind of genocide. If it is true it sounds like the sort of thing which has historically given ISIS recruits - that is most people join ISIS as an effective fighting unit for political means not for it's gross religion.
I dislike the idea of killing the people kept prisoner by ISIS. I do not dislike killing people who support ISIS or their extremist ideology as trotted out in my previous post. The civil war in Syria is about "Freedom" vs "Those who hate Freedom" The rebel opposition in Syria may have differences but they are primarily united around making Sharia the law of the land = Evil. The Assad regime was Secular - no Strict Sharia, Religious Freedom, women in skirts, alcohol and dancing in bars and so on. Assad had Christian Generals in his army. This does not mean the guy was not brutal against his enemies but, brutal in relation to what other ME country Saud ? where women are stoned for adultery and teenagers are beheaded and crucified for attending a protest wanting more religious freedom for Shia ? These people fighting for the Assad regime are against Strict Sharia extremism and want freedom = Good. This is the politics of religion. Those joining ISIS know well what they are fighting for. Who is responsible for arming these extremists to the point where the use of heavy duty firepower (which kills more civilians) is needed to dislodge them ? Who gave them stinger missiles and other heavy arms ? There have been something like 250,000 civilians killed (and millions of refugees created) because someone chose to arm and support these Sunni Islamic Sharia loving extremist Jihadists. Who is responsible for arming and supporting this evil ?
I did not doubt that. I just thought you had failed to realise that would be the situation. Where did you get this slogan from? If this was true there would be no rational right for young male Syrian Refugees. Most of them leave because there is no side they can fight with. Neither the oppression of the people by the regime with the barrel bombs and what not nor the various extremist rebel fighters. Of course the people who began the 'revolution' wanted freedom under the 3 no's of no violence, no sectarianism and no outside interference. Of course the outside interference blew this apart very early on and left them to hell. OK Please see what I have written above. Not the freedom you were speaking about above. It is true that many would prefer Assad but that is obvious. Does not stop him starving them as a war strategy or killing them with his barrel bombs and what not. No I am sorry I do not agree with you that this can be seen as 'freedom' and liberation and genuine democracy was what the original non violent, non sectarian and without outside interference 'revolution' was about - what the people who genuinely were for freedom were fighting against. No. People join ISIS because of various political grudges - some examples might be the US wars against Iraq and Afghanistan, the France/British/US attack on Libya and the oppressive regimes they are under. Most join ISIS for the reason I give above - now leaving ISIS when you realise just how bad it is, that is something it is difficult to do. You tend to end up dead. Well for Syria certainly Qatar and the Saud's and the US. Makes no difference to the reality that before the outside interference financed as above though possibly also by France and the UK the genuine revolution, the only people who were non violent were revolting against Assad. That is what the financers of the extremist rebels destroyed - a peaceful non sectarian revolution in Syria and that peaceful revolution was also treated brutally by the Assad regime. It is early morning hear I am going to sleep.
Actually it's vice versa at the moment, the best term is that they are killing each other out there. Taint Islam with dirty politics and expect a greater catastrophe.
Syria began killing protestors in March of 2011.. Then 10,000 Sunni soldiers in the Syrian army defected because they refused to kill other Sunnis and Syrians.
There were non violent moderates during the protest movement in Syria in the beginning in early 2011. The extremist quickly took over the protest movement. They were telling Christians to either join the protest movement or leave the country. They also started persecuting and killing Christians. By the time armed insurgency broke out it was almost all extremists. I have a mass of credible links if you like. I also had a buddy of mine go to Syria in 2011 (where his parents live). When he came back I talked to him about the situation there. He said "The people do not like Assad much but, they are terrified of the - extremists who want Sharia to be the law of the land" he went on further to say that the Christians were especially terrified. These are the to sides. Strict Sharia loving Jihadists against the people who want secularism/ - individual rights and freedoms, no theocracy, and so on. You can not compare Syria to democracy in western society. That is way too ethnocentric. You must compare on the basis of what the other side wants - Strict Sharia. Communism in Romania had a greater amount of individual rights and freedoms compared to this.
I don't know about Iraq, but I know in Syria the moderate Sunnis are fighting in Assad's army together with the Alawites and Shias...Why would anyone kill them? In Iraq before it was a different story, since the Shias suffered dearly under Saddam Hussein. Also his army retaliated harshly on the Shias after he was defeated in the first Iraq war.
This is something that has gone on throughout history, prisoners dying when one's enemy is being bombed. It's not genocide because it's not deliberate. The island my mother came from has a statue of a great Greek hero, who fire bombed the Turkish flag ship after they had massacred 80,000 people. I find the statue upsetting because in the hull of that flagship there were over 2,000 people who had been taken into slavery, and their screams could be heard as they tried to escape the flames.
Lavrov has been contacting all the factions and nations involved in the war in Syria for almost a year now. There are over sixty factions working with him, and a new constitution is being formed that will address all their grievances. Assad will be voted into office for a few more years to keep the country intact, and once things are stabilized, he might resign of his own accord. The only problem now is the Kurds who want to federate and have a certain amount of autonomy, but Turkey refuses to have them join the peace talks.
The Kurd issue is an interesting one as they are also in Iraq. Turkey has been a major supporter of ISIS as well. Very convoluted.
This time the genocide is taken from God itself(Idi Amin of the future) but who knows if the good people will be rewarded from the angels after the ''goodbye operation'' against the terrible Idi.
The Sunnis have no option then ISIS or Shia Deathsquads. in the retaken cities just shias was allowed to come back, which is de facto ethnic cleansing.$ Tikrit now faces a siege and Starvation like Leningrad in WW2 Assad an Stalin Like Brutal Dictator, who would kill Millions to come again to power with his 8% Arab-Allewi Ethnicitiy, Iranian Shia Militia are not less pro Sharia, in this region no democracy exists Just tribalism and kill your neighbour before he kills you. Israel is an Jewish Apartheid, Saudi Arabia a Medivial Kingdom, Iraq a total failed state and a corrupt shia cleptocracy, Iran the Arch-Enemy is and Shia fascist Theocracy. The Kurds who dream of an Secular Communist state are somehow funny sympathic. in this region is not much about ideology, but about Ethnicity. people keep up t in Syrian War is Assad for 80-90% killed civilians responsible (according UN), the funny and brutal Youtube Behading Clips draw an other picture, but Assad has a nicer and more friendly killing method, it goes 2-3 Months, and calls Starvation in Prison + Torture..
All sides recruit with force. Assad rules still about a huge Parts of Syrian Sunnis, they are forced to join the Army, but they do not fight on the 1st lines because their motivation is bad or they change sides... is often reported. Why should they fight for a System which offers them just to be 2nd class citizens,
