Saudi Arabia Threatening US

It is crazy to believe this, the Saudis have simply no motive.

Al Qaida wanted also to overthrow the Saudis.

The Americans protected them from Saddam Hussein, and the Saudis helped to destroy the Sowiet Union by overflooding the market with oil like 1-2 Years ago.


but, when a Jury of 12 jobless people can judge over an important Global Player (G20 Member), which is hated in the Gay loving Western Media, then it is obvious they will pull out their money of the US.




Saudi-Arabia should simply change the Ally, and be in the Russian Camp

 

the murder of Abdullah by his father Have you forgotten that we read English from left to right?

http://www.gulfinstitute.org/investigation-murder-in-the-palace-saudi-king-salman-said-to-have-murdered-own-son/
Saudi King Salman murdered one of his sons because of his dark skin color, multiple sources within the Saudi ruling family told the Institute for Gulf Affairs.
The victim, Abdullah, was born to an African slave girl during the 1950s when slavery in KSA was legal, and thousands of slaves, black and white, filled Saudi palaces. Since the establishment of the Saudi kingdom in 1932, Saudi princes fathered hundreds of children with female slaves from the Middle East and Africa.

The scandal was enormous at the time, made more so because Abdullah's body disappeared mysteriously and the building in which the crime occured was razed to the ground. There wasn't a meeting of two or more people in the Kingdom at which the sensation didn't come up, so I assume you were in the USA with your royal Saudi boyfriend at the time.

Killings and beatings of slaves and other servants is by no means rare in the upper levels of Saudi society. Similar scandals have happened from the Philippines to the USA. As experts, we both know this. You have declared that the KSA government is organized like a corporation. The only corporations I can think of that have such procedures are Mafia crime families. Perhaps you could enlighten us with some more flattering examples. Inshallah

 

If Ron Paul has his way, "It should be known that no longer will the US guarantee the security of the Saudi kingdom."
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/04/ron-paul/us-saudi-arabia-saudi-arabia-us/

 

I did find that yesterday but I had some errands. That's all anonymous and vague.. People LOVE to gossip about the al Saud.

I have never had a Saudi boyfiend .. royal or otherwise, but I do know the al Saud and I know BS and gossip when I see it.

 

Sometimes I wonder how bright Ron Paul is.. The Saudis have helped the US with intel for over 15 years and have been fighting terrorism and radical Islam for longer than that.

Some of this is ignorance about our oldest ally and what makes them tick and part of it is envy.

 

Ron Paul is a libertarian, and being ruled by elite hereditary royalty is the antithesis of liberty, is it not?

 

The filicide of the now-king was, obviously, never invistigated by his cousins. The evidence, including the official silence, lack of investigation and wide-spread cover-up were conclusive for the Saudis and others in KSA at the time. The event was a family scandal, not a crime, in a society in which there is not even a pretense of equal justice under law and the murder of slaves and their children occurs with far greater frequency than outsiders realize.

I'm not singling out His Majesty for any special condemnation because he killed a very dark skinned illegitimate child to avoid social embarassment because among his peers and in his society the act was no big deal. Like female infanticide in India, these things happen and, while Americans find them abhorrent, we are not the world's policeman.

Our relations with KSA should be based on American self interest and the actions of our government should be in keeping with our own standards, not those of our allies. What I do object to is the bilateral propaganda to convince American voters that Saudi Arabia is just Mayberry with camels and palm trees. I have no problem with your fondness for the royal family etc. but please don't try and tell me that they are just like us or that they share our values. They aren't and they don't. You know it and I know it.

 

some polls suggest 50% of Americans are 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists who believe the US government is involved in the Attacks...

Why should a G20-Economy be judged by often jobless people who join the Jury?

 

Depends on the culture and the social contract between the leaders and the people.. Ran Paul is a jerk who thinks one size fits all.

 

Bull.. Look at the source..Gulf Institute?? LOLOL.. out of Alabama? Its all gossip... and its Shia.

 

Don't think we Americans are all that bright, however, because for example, an equal number of Americans also believe that an invisible 2000 year old zombie will magically come back to earth to let them survive their own death....and said zombie hates Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus so incredibly much that in his barbaric scheme, the all-powerful zombie will see that those people, no matter how moral they might have been(!), will suffer brutal torture - even more brutal of torture than the savage in your avatar (Saddam) could ever have dreamed of inflicting on his very worst enemy. And get this, they believe that said zombie is THE MOST MORAL PERSON TO HAVE EVER LIVED. I'm serious.

So not surprising that we believe the nonsense of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists, when we also believe the nonsense of the zombie.

 

Slavery in KSA is not gossip. Discrimination against dark skinned blacks is not gossip. Bandar, whom you mentioned was not dark. He was also involved in assisting the 15 Saudis in the 9/11 attack, as the soon-to-be released 28 pages will publicly reveal.

The Gulf Institute was hardly the only source for the story and the author : علي عباس آل أحمد is widely recognized as a reporter and scholar. You can dismiss the incident but you must have heard about it as it was widely reported in Arab circles. You are aware, I assume, of the numerous cases of slave abuse by wealthy Saudis in Europe as well as the USA. Trying to deptict KSA as a modern, liberal nation is an exercise in futility. Not even the Saudi government makes any such claim.

You may have noticed the collapse of Saudi efforts at an anti-ISIS alliance and their withdrawl from the conflict in Syria. Do you know how much money the Saudis have spent subsidizing Wahhabi extremistm in madrassas from Pakistan to Morocco? Saudi money has been single-handedly responsible for the radicalization of Sunni Islam, including Qaeda and ISIL. This is recognized fact around the world and one which Saudis don't attempt to deny. The specific help which Bandar and the San Francisco consulate gave the 9/11 agents is only the tip of the iceberg.

Fortunately, the period of Saudi finance of terrorism and extremism is rapidly drawing to a close. Huge cutbacks are already underway, as is a fanciful plan to make the kingdom a tourist trap. We not talking the hajiis now, the fantasy is that rich Japanese and Peruvians are going to flock to the golden beaches despite the lack of alcohol and the all sexually segregated public spaces.

Saudi cannot continue to provide 70% of its people with government subsidy, hand-outs etc. or pay all those foreign workers to run the country for them. When the petroleum gravy train finally collapses, so will the medieval structure of the government and society. Egypt will take over the oil business and Iran will run the Gulf Sates. Your royal boy friend will be over here looking for a job at McDonald's. You heard it here first.

 

Well, with all that being said, should you have no problem at all having this information come out?

 

Depends on how religiously fanatical whoever the person was.

I could definitely see an Alluha-Akbarrer doing it just because he believed it was 'just'.

 

"Social contract" is a bogus term because contracts are entirely voluntary.

Hobbes was a solid believer in authoritarianism who invented the "social contract" to replace the divine rights of kings and popes concept which was falling out of favor. Rousseau and others added to the nonsense, and voila, it's common knowledge that it's hard science.

(Btw, don't confuse flip-flopping political opportunist Rand Paul with his father, Ron Paul.)

 

Social contract in this sense is about the obligations of leadership to the citizenry.

 

Glory to Allah. Allahs blessings.

 

That's irrational... and the Saudis aren't irrational. Saudi Arabia has been blessed.. They are prosperous and stable.. They have plentiful variety in food. They have good roads, clean water colleges, hospitals, universities, libraries, good housing, mass transit and so on.

The US government had almost nothing to do with any of that... but it is an outgrowth of their long relationship with Americans since the late 1930s.

KSA's development has taken a completely different path than Iraq, Iran or Egypt. Americans should be proud of their involvement in KSA.

Of course there are always those half wit Americans who don't know and think all Arab countries are alike.

 

Islam is irrational. Flying planes into the WTC and Pentagon is irrational. Should be no surprise when the people who helped finance the plan were also irrational.

 

Why covering up for Saudis then? Why taking their money and represent their interest (both Democrats and Republicans) instead of fighting for the best interest of Americans who elected them? Don't you think that the Bush family and others who assisted/helped Saudis got away with a murder should be held accountable? Is it rational to help mass murders of your own people get away with the crime?

 

Just speculating but it was rogue elements within the Saudi Family and government And the 3 Princes that died within a few days of each other was a part of the cleanup of those rogue elements. And it was determined that it was in the US best interest to maintain relations with the King and that part of the Saudi Government and family that oppose Al Qaeda and what they are doing.
Having said that, those benefits were available the 5 years or so after 9/11, getting a grasp upon what was occurring. They should release the info now.
And I suspect it was nothing more than financial assistance to those involved in 9/11, as opposed to direct involvement or even knowledge of.

 

So paying for hired killers is no longer a crime. "But gov, I did not know that I was giving money to them to kill, they told me that they needed money to feed their starving children"

 

I find it likely that Saudi support was involved though I doubt the highest levels of "Government" had a clue what was happening in detail. That said...they should have and are at least part of the reason it transpired. There is NO country in the middle East that should be considered our "Friends", as the religion dominant there does not allow us to exist. Islam is mostly to blame for 9/11 and is the biggest burden on peaceful life around the world...hopefully it dies off eventually before it's followers do.

Basically they will kill each other until someone steps in front of the bullets.

 

I doubt anyone in the Saudi Government paid them to kill anybody. The financial assistance was likely to cover food and shelter.

 

Wrong on all counts.