Freedom From Atheism

Why do atheists assault Christians, Muslims, Jews, and all those who govern themselves with a theistic moral compass by demanding everyone else conform to their atheist agenda [aka religion]?

It seems if we want to be fair about this, theistic based religions should have the same freedom from atheists and secular religions that they demand from theists?

Hence the question, how do we obtain freedom from atheists? Especially now government has become so popular to force theists to conform to their religious agenda?

 

I agree that nobody should force their religious beliefs (or lack thereof) on anyone else. However, you don't have a right to be free of atheists anymore than atheists have a right to be free of theists.

The notion that theists are being somehow victimized is comic. Here's what it really comes down to: you want a a world where you are totally free to impose your agenda, and you view any limit on that power as a restriction on that freedom.

It really sucks when people fight back, doesn't it?

 

So how would you explain all the anti-theist laws that have been and continue to be passed?

 

Is it so hard to believe that polygamy can be illegal based on other issues? I mean, it is illegal in nations that don't have significant Mormon populations. Do you suggest it was introduced there in order to mess with a religion that wasn't even present there in any significant sense?

That being said, such laws aren't pro atheism so much as they are secular. Secular means, for these purposes, that religion shouldn't have an impact on public life. It does not stand behind a disbelief in theism as much as it emphasises having a working order *regardless* of theism.

 

First, some basic definitions you (pretend to?) misunderstand;

Atheism isn’t a religion. This isn’t open for debate, it’s a simple fact on the basis of the relevant definitions. Atheism is the opposite of theism and both describe a singular characteristic, not an entirely belief system let alone a structured belief. This doesn’t mean that atheists can’t be religious or that theists have to be.

Secularism is entirely separate form atheism (even more so if you’re painting atheism as a religion as it happens). Secularism is a socio-political position, not a religious one and it’s essentially about treating everyone equally regardless of any theistic beliefs or religious practices.

Second, not all atheists behave in the same way, just as not all theists, believers, Christians, Muslims, Jews… what individuals choose to do to other people should not be used to condemn entire groupings they happen to be part of.

Some atheists do indeed try to convince, encourage or force others to follow their ideas but then at least as many theists do exactly the same – it’s a direct requirement of many religions after all. This is actually one of the things secularism is established to protect against – that nobody should be forced to do (or not do) something just because of someone else’s religious beliefs or practices.

Another element of secularism though, as mentioned, is treating everyone the same regardless of religion. That means the same laws, rules and regulations apply to everyone equally. Where religious practices have no direct or indirect impact on others, individuals and groups should be (and generally are) free to practice them but where they do impact others, they may well fall within the scope of those general laws. While some practical compromises can be made, as a general principle, they should apply equally to everyone.

In the context of anti-polygamy laws in the US, those were passed by people who would have been almost exclusively theistic (mostly Christian), primarily basic on the mainstream Christian principles of monogamy and one man-one woman marriage (the same ones being held against same-sex marriage today in fact).

 

We are completely ignorant to the fact that the God 'nose', lie industry of His, failed and now the angels are free but not theists, they are aware of this Big liar that he exists and is a dangerous big African predator, crocodile like, God of the jungle(Africa) and God of our abyss deep in the African jungle there it is.

 

Do you really think that atheists were some sort of political powerhouse when polygamy was outlawed in the US? Mormons were being countered by other theists, not by atheists. The anti-polygamy effort had nothing to do with anti-theism.

 

However: Bigamy is the creation of the state not any theist religion. Second I am not aware that any theist religion outlawed polygamy, that is for starters, there are more.

Baking wedding cakes for gays under commercial law is what religion iyo?

So you would have us believe that when a law is created by the state that runs 180 degrees contrary to the beliefs of theism that the motive is somehow 'not' [anti]theism or [a]theism, or in the case of [the Mormons] with theism based in Christianity the antiChrist? How is that remotely reasonable?

 

Not is you can list what 'other' issues and lay them out on the table. I am not aware of these so called 'other issues' that would trump rights reserved by the people. Are you?

As I said earlier polygamy was practiced in every theist religion that I know of even the so often dreaded islam religion, hence how can it be anything but atheist or the product of those who promote anti-theist? [semantics]

I have no idea what you are referring to by messing with a religion?

If such laws are not proatheism I'd like to know what you think the definition of proatheism is if not inserting atheist agenda and enforcing it upon theists against their will and religious practice?

So then you believe antitheism, a religion that is contrary to the practices and beliefs of theists has some sort of free pass outside the scope and umbrella of a religion? How can it be anything but a religion if it has contrary religious 'beliefs' and 'practices'?

 

Atheism isn't a religion

 

Is seems you confuse fighting against or blowing off Religious attempts at stepping into public life with "Assault"....take a chill/persecution complex pill.

Everyone is "Free From Atheism" unless they decide to be one.

 

1) Atheism has all the constructs of a religion, so it is not a matter of debate as far as I am concerned, since by construction atheism is a religion as much as theism is a religion, or has contrary religious principles at its core.

2) as mentioned in an earlier post we have bigamy laws which is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt the antitheist design.

3) Secularism, being atheist in nature has no requirement to what so ever to prevent them from forcing their religion on others, though despite their atheist nature would have everyone believe they are not atheist.

It does not matter which religion someone is, the requirement for a just gvmnt is complete neutrality which we don not see, we see atheists by any number of labels and titles enforcing their religion on people.

4) what you describe as an element of secularism does not exist 'in practice'. If it did exist in practice and the rights of theists were not violated as a matter of course then we would not have any bigamy laws on the books. This is self evident is it not?

 

Sorry but simply standing on a soap box will do nothing to convince anyone, leastwise me.

 

You really should take a moment and reread what was said for context since its obvious you missed the whole point.

Unless you mean that it is a legal 'assault' against theists in which case I would agree.

 

all religions are based around the belief in a Diety.

who/what is the Atheist Deity?

 

Many [not all] religions do have a deity, however there is 'no rule' that a deity is required to be legitimately classified as a religion. I have never heard of one have you?

 

name a religion that is not centered around a Deity or the supernatural

 

Atheism and theism are beliefs, religions are sets of beliefs and practices. Theism can't be a religion because that would mean all theists were following the same one.

Nothing about bigamy is fundamentally religions or non-religious so neither are laws against it and the fact remains such laws were (in the West) primarily introduced by Christians.

Secularism is agnostic, not atheistic. Theists and religious people can be and often are secularist. Secularism is still not a religion.

You're just spouting rhetoric without backing it up with any actual examples of this fantasy atheist religion being imposed on anyone. That will be because the events and incidents you're thinking of (where they exist at all) aren't what you imagine them to be.

If you're incapable of discussing any actual examples without the rhetoric, there is no point in having any discussion. One last try.

 

This is a strawman argument. So the real question is why should we address it?

 

Move to Iran?

 

Well perhaps one day - and I know this is a stretch - one day a Theist will be elected to political office. Hell, might even have a Christian as a President one day.

I know that sounds pretty outlandish, considering the strangle-hold atheists have on government positions - but stranger things have happened.

 

During the time that Mormons were practicing polygamy, most mainstream Christians opposed it. You can talk to these same mainstream Christians today for detailed theological and scriptural arguments against polygamy. By the same note, you can find theological and scriptural arguments in favor of it.

I'm not sure what you mean. Several religions support gay marriage, and I don't know of any religion that forbids making cakes and selling them to someone based solely on their sexuality.

How is it remotely reasonable to believe that atheists had the political power to outlaw polygamy starting in the mid 1800s? How is it remotely reasonable to believe that non-Mormon Christians in the US supported polygamy, when they vocally opposed it?

 

When is it evil to help others think rationally and not irrationally regarding reality?

 

Atheism is not a religion, but thanks for the display of ignorance just the same.

Suicide is one possibility. On the bright side, you get to walk with Jesus in Heaven.

 

keep your religion out of government and no one will care what you believe

if Atheists tried to put "in no God we Trust" on our money or added to our pledge, I would support you in saying that is wrong and should be removed

a secular government is neutral.... not Athiest

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