France Voted To Dump Russian Sanctions

Aristotle said: "Pan Metron Ariston", which means everything within measure is best.

It's wrong for Norwegians to have to change because of migrants, but it's not wrong for Norwegians to have a little bit more decorum in how they dress ...and that stands for everyone in the Western world.

Aristotle is right, moderation in everything is best. What you're getting now is the extreme of Islam on one side, and the secular permissiveness on the other. I don't see how any good can come out of that.

 

Frankly I don't believe you are Greek or you would know that Russia never invaded any country. They're not that stupid.

 

yes it is your real name.

That said i really wonder why you think its ok to insult my country. What do you think you can achieve with this?

I´m proud for my nation. I defend my nation. I stand for my nation. I dont understand why you need to insult it. If you dont like us, so be it. So why you feel the need to say such things?

You know i´m in the youth department of Forza Italia. Forza Italia is an italian nationaist party. We are in the parliament and even govern one italian province. So far i was always under the impression that americans are our friends. Now i see thats not the case. I dont know why you try so hard to damage your nations reputation.

 

No really. We restrict obstruction of justice. You can cus a cop out out while he is not conducting an investigation. But if you do it while he is conducting an investigation, then you are obstructing him from doing his duties properly. So you get arrested. That's really as far as it goes.

 

Fallon just to let you know, Italy has top universities ...especially medical schools. The university of Bologna I believe is the oldest university in the world. If the American and British schools are rated higher than those of other nations, more than likely it's because they're using their own standards.

Anyway here's something funny. Last year there was a contest throughout the world for the top students in international law. Over one hundred schools competed, and the last two were Harvard Law school, and the Athens Law school. The Greeks won.

 

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Right. Totally my real name. You are such a childish looser. All uour post were utterly wrong. You couldn't even get this right. And you were so confident too. Is that my real name too I wonder? Hahahaha. It makes me feel so special knowing that I have a stocker.


Like I said, it's fun playing with children.

 

They are not in top 100. US dominates this list.

http://www.thebestschools.org/features/100-best-universities-in-world-today/

It's not like I hate Itally. I think it's a nice place with a rich cultural history. But [MENTION=64165]MarkusS[/MENTION] made me want to have a little fun.

 

Markus if you really can access people's last names, which I don't believe you can, then it's quite frightening to have a member of a fascist/nationalist party being able to attain that information. Is it just you, or is the information gathered by your organization?

 

http://www.thebestschools.org/features/100-best-universities-in-world-today/
They are not even in top 100. But it's nice to see.

I honestly don't hate Italy. I think that it's a nice place with a rich culture. But [MENTION=64165]MarkusS[/MENTION] childishness really made me want to play.

I honestly think that their Prime Minister is their best hope for Independence. Italy already saw many reforms and decisiveness under him. EU is stifling their economy and obsurdly slow economic growth proves this point

I hopened the rest of Italians are not as ignorant as MarkusS and agree to break away from EU. It's already inevitable. So they should save themselves the pain when it does collapse

 

What I meant is that the English speaking schools are being rated by an English speaking world, so there might be a cultural factor as to why those schools were preferred and picked. In other words certain things are being emphasized, while in other countries priority might be given to things such as languages. If those countries were judging the schools, they would take fluency and availability of languages into account when they rate them.

Also schools in other countries would specialize in fields where jobs are available to. them.

 

You insulted me first. And no Renzi is an idiot. He is leftist. We want one of our party be PM.

 

It's muly alias on facy. Alexie Makhailovich Borisov.

Don't you like that name? The first part is from a Russian grand duke. The last part is Bear.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duke_Alexander_Mikhailovich_of_Russia

He was a freemason

 

Just how low will you stoop. Now you are a liar as well?

That was your response after I listed all the links of experts talking about an EU collapse.



http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-us-world-news/454949-france-voted-dump-russian-sanctions-6.html

I'll just assume that you forgot as to move past this childish back and forth play. You live in Italy so you know what's best. Hopefully.


But I noticed how you attacked your leader. Does that make you unpatriotic? No. I believe it makes one more patriotic when you want the best for your country. If that means replacing the leadership then thats that. I never criticized the symbol of America. I will never do that. I critize their current policies. I think that we can do much better.

 

What are you talking about? Russia invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea. That's what the sanctions were mainly for. It's a fact.

 

Because there was a US backed military Co remember? How will America respond if there was a Russian backed Co in Mexico and one of its cities tried to break away and find shelter under America? Is annexation bad then? Or is it humane?


I don't think that US will bother wasting time with mercenaries or small unit of special forces. I think that they will just mount a full scale invasion as Mexico that is Allied with Russia would be perceived as an immediate threat to national security.


Russia has a reputation about them, so they couldn't be as frank. But the threat to their national security is the same if not more dire.

 

Renzi is a leftist...he has done some good but i dont like his policies. I´m from Forza Italia. We are nationalist party. We want a strong independend italy with strong alliance with all european nations. Independend european nations. Making EU a trade federation and a united voice in the world but with no internal say.

 

Yeh, why would he let 300,000 migrants in?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/06/the-invasion-of-italy/

I don't think nationalism is bad. I actually think its good. But the problem is that most nationalist do it wrong. They have a them vs us mind set. Which itself isn't bad either. But when its as extreme as we see with neocons, It becomes bad. I believe in a bi polar world. I think that if one has no rivals then they will have no inceptive to compete. Less competition,equals less production. I wasn't really aware that he was a leftist. I believe that there is pride in preserving national identity. Leftist want people to conform to foreigners coming it. But they have it backwards. They should conform to us. If you are such a nationalist, then why are you for Italy being in the EU? Don't you know that it will ultimately kill their own national identity? I am not sure of how much freedom Italy has. But I can't imagine that they will be part of EU if they disobey brussels much longer. Brussels wanted to eject Greece, but Obama forbid Merkel from doing so as he feared that Russia would gain influence there as a result. But now were talking about France and now the situation in Britain.... I don't see EU lasting. I think that Italy has little to offer to EU and the US. And those entities have little to gain from Italy. Russia on the other hand is diffrent. It has much to gain from Italy. And Italy has a lot to gain from them.

This goes to the bipolar world I was talking about. Do you plot and conspire against your neighbors? Then why should countries who also are neighbors plot and conspire against each other just because they have different interests and opinions. Like you said we are all human. I think that true multiculturalism can be only possible with nationalism. A day when we can respect each others differences while preserving our own nationality. Bipolar world is the best option as the unipolar world that the west wants to create will lead to more chaos.

The best solution right now is to do away with NATO as its a relic of cold war. DO away with EU. And introduce something like TIP to still play geopolitics. Thats what US is probably doing. Getting ready for the break up of EU. I guessing that while now the people publicly resists, as in most cases when it comes with EU, their opinion won't matter and TIPP will go into effect. This will infuriate the citizens and the break up of EU will soon follow. Except we are keeping NATO. It think that the UN should take the role of nato to uphold the global laws.

This shouldn't cause any problems as many countries including Russia,China, and America, the big 3 are already part of it. As well as scores of other nations. That way we can exersize global cooperation when dealing with global crisis instead of each countries dabbling in geopolitics and causing more chaos. We should give UN a real purpose. A purpose of a global piece keeper.


Going back on topic. My main issue with EU is that it really doesn't give the individual nations that comprise it any real freedom. They must do what best for the EU and not whats best for their own people. The people of lets say Italy has no say who will be the EU leader that will dictate their future. EU has been a disaster and many of your fellow citizens want their freedom.



But I see that most italians don't like their prime minister.



Perhaps thats why he is fighting back now?
https://www.rt.com/news/267160-italy-migrants-eu-problem/?


Mr Renzi has since said he refuses to be “remote-controlled” by Brussels. He has also threatened to block structural funds for central and eastern European countries unless they take in more refugees, and questioned aspects of the deal with Turkey — designed to contain migrant flows — which will be the subject of a heated EU summit on Thursday.
“It’s right to do the agreement with Turkey, but not at all costs,” Mr Renzi told parliament on Wednesday. “There are principles in the negotiation that are fundamental, starting from human rights and press freedom,” he said.
Mr Renzi has also made his own demands, some of which are being considered by the EU. These include a common asylum policy to ease the burden on front-line states such as Greece and Italy, further political integration of the eurozone and more budgetary leeway to help stimulate growth, rekindle investment and reduce unemployment.
“We are convinced Europe is the only solution available to Italy,” says Debora Serracchiani, vice-president of Mr Renzi’s ruling Democratic party and a close ally of the prime minister. “But we want Europe to have a future, not just a difficult present. If we can elaborate an alternative proposal that forges a different path for Europe, the Eurosceptics won’t have any space.”


The dissatisfaction with the EU is broad-based: it is just as strong in the wealthy north as it is in poorer southern regions, and just as rampant among the young as it is the elderly. It is also at higher levels among citizens in Italy than in other large member states, including France, Spain, Germany and even the UK, which will hold a referendum on whether to remain in the EU this summer, according to a recent poll by Demos.
Strikingly, it found that a majority of Italians are in favour of restoring border controls in the passport-free Schengen area, even if this means that migrants may be stuck in Italy without being able to move north.
“The EU is not only seen as distant, it is also in some way viewed as a persecutor,” says Luca Comodo, director of the political-social division at Ipsos.

Such a damning verdict on the EU would have been sacrilegious in Italy just a few years ago. For decades, Brussels has been gazed at from Rome as a symbol of economic opportunity, lasting peace and, perhaps most importantly, a “vincolo esterno”, or external constraint, to shield the country from its own weaknesses, such as budgetary laxity, corruption and weak institutions.


It looks bleak for EU. But Im sure that US will sweep them all into the TPP before it collapses

 

there wont be any TTIP. Europeans see american products too lowmin quality and will never accept GMO ect. The leaked documents make it impossible and even EU comission says so. As for the EU, the EU guaranteed 70years peace in europe. If we break up the EU we start 1930 all over again. Europe is the worlds most important continent and must speak with a united voice to be heared.

 

The EU guaranteed nothing.
The Allies made that guarantee.

The EU is the 1930's all over again. It will likely end the same way.

 

Invading a country and annexing part of it is in no way excused by what happened in Ukraine. Yanukovych was kicked out of power in an unconstitutional way. We did have a normalization of the political landscape afterwards with elections and all but I still disagree with how Yanukovych was voted out of office by the parliament.

NATO has attacked dictatorships and authoritarian regimes such as those in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan but the scope and purpose of the attack was a transition to democracy with subquent strengthening of democratic institutions and assistance in anti-terrorist operations and not annexation or occupation of territory.

So was the Ukrainian opposition wrong in how they handled the power transition? Sure. Was Putin wrong in invading? Yup.

 

I see your point.But most EU countries have nukes. People like to talk about getting rid of them. I find that it is a stupid idea and withough the fear of mutual destruction, large scale wars will resumeagain. I guess your mentally is the same with the EU I see. But wars have gained such a bad reputation and most european arnt shy to protest them. Because of this, its the ripe time. The people of europe are fed up with wars and playing Russia roulette. If EU broke today then the mood will not allow war. Why would they go to war with eachother? You probably known the situation in Europe better than I. The worst outcome that I see is that there will be more players in geopolitics. Whether its a good thing or a bad thin, I coulnt say.

A part of me likes to live in a fantasy and believe that there will be helthy rivalries. But the current absolutist leaders who have no sense to grasp that vitue. Hmmm. I see what you are saying. While the curent mood of the people is apposed to war, the mood of politicans are still stuck with the 'youre with us or against us' mindset. An ancient relic of colonial era. Interesting..

Well, I can only hope that we can move past this mentally. Small countries who battle over limited resources wich will dictate their survival do that. Like half starved wolves battling over a single hare. Havent we moved past survival long ago? Even dogs dont fight when their bellies are full. Humans need to learn quick..


I have a lot to concider. I will be absent from this forum for a while.

 

Only 2 out of 28 EU countries have nukes.

 

Why would this need excuse?
People that wished to be annexed, have been annexed by people who wished to annex to them.
Everybody wins.

 

French MPs have voted in favor of a resolution to lift the EU-imposed sanctions initially slapped on Russia over the crisis in Ukraine and the reunification with Crimea. The document is non-binding. Fifty-five members of the French National Assembly have supported the resolution calling on the government not to extend the sanctions imposed on Russia by the EU. Forty-four voted against and two abstained. Of the 577 deputies in the National Assembly, the lower house of the French Parliament, 101 took part in the vote.

https://www.rt.com/news/341216-france-drop-sanctions-russia/

Only 10% of French MPs in the lower house voted for the resolution and it remains to be seen if it becomes France's national policy. The French tend to disagree with the Anglo-Americans openly since Charles de Gaulle.

 

Bravo France.

Finally, behavior that would make Charles de Gaulle proud.​

ThirdTerm
Although the French may openly disagree since Charles de Gaulle,
they don't act on it as de Gaulle did. De Gaulle kicked NATO out.
France breaking the sanctions on Russia is a "Like" plus a "Reputation Tag"
to put it in Board terms


Moi

r > g

Les Quebecois
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​