Pat Buchanan: "Bush Republicanism Is Dead and Gone."

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  1. Lil Mike

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    Hey! I watch that show!

    Every week I check to see how much John McLaughlin has shrunk.
     
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    Couldn't agree more!
    The last 40 years of taking this country further and further to the right, dragging us further and further down is about to end!
    Maybe we can start to repair the damage that conservatism has brought down on the nation.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    I've yet to see a transcript of that meeting with the editorial board. Instead, all I hear is what people want to have heard.
     
  4. Len

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    When has "nationalism" ever produced anything good?
    It's just a harder core form of conservatism/fascism and that has nearly destroyed the country, so why do you think it will be better?
     
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    Yup and you never will. Wonder why?
     
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    If he had hired an aggressive trial lawyer to go after his enemies for trying to overthrow the last election his numbers would have changed fast.
    I think Roy Cohn was still alive and active.

    Nixon's legal counsel told him to act like a punching dummy - then he testified against him. Nixon's most enduring legacy may be all the now routine efforts to set up presidents for impeachment - banana republic crap.
     
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    And we probably will not see a phony transcript from the NYT because they suspect Trump has an audio/video record.
     
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    The Bush brand of republicanism is dead? Man out time.

    Now if we can only get rid of the "I voted for it before I voted against it" brand in the Democratic Party.
    Oh wait, that would be the Democratic front runner, and the current Sec of State.

    Too funny.
     
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    How so since she has never had power to order a war. We all know what happens when a republican is president you people still own that crown
     
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    He's not a liberal, he's a nationalist.
     
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    Trump sure isn't a conservative and it will be the conservatives, the true conservatives within the Republican Party that Trump will have the hardest time uniting or getting to board his train. Trump was the most Liberal candidate among the 17 with the possible exception of Pataki and maybe Christie.

    I see this word Nationalist and another one, Populist used to describe Trump by his supporters more and more. It is like they all are acknowledging he isn't a conservative. I think they know that, but they like the man, his persona and ideology which once was so important to them isn't anymore. Total realignment.
     
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    Which Bush...

    The first one who was smart enough to know that taxes taxes are part of solution to lowering deficits and that invading Iraq was stupid,

    Or the second one who was the first president to lower taxes during wartime and was soo incredibly stupid that he invaded Iraq and killed a whole bunch of people (including more Americans than died on 9/11) and created ISIS, as well as whole bunch of other negative consequences with no benefits whatsoever.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Well there is the nutso answer: Because the New York Times is in the tank for Trump.

    And then there is the logical answer: Because Trump didn't say what people are saying he did.
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    Trump is no more a conservative than Romney was, but he's not less of a conservative either. This isn't about who is the most conservative or the GOP establishment wouldn't have tried to take him out, since on paper, Trump is all they've ever said they wanted; a candidate who can appeal across party lines, and who is just not into social issues. Again, on paper, he would even be the perfect "no labels" candidate. Instead, no labels are running to Hillary. So I think saying Trump isn't a conservative really begs the question since being a conservative hasn't mattered for the last couple of Republican Presidential candidates, only this one.
     
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    Actually, he is going to host the next two seasons of Celebrity Apprentice. On NBC. :blankstare:
     
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    Not likely!
     
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    Perhaps it is more. McCain and Romney were lifelong Republicans. McCain the Maverick, Romney the flip flopper who did a 180 on many of his lifelong held political beliefs. Trump has done that too, flip flopped on quite a lot of his beliefs. Conservatives were not happy with Romney as their nominee, perhaps twice in a row is a bit too much.

    Trump is asking the Republican Party to throw away a lot of their ideals, the belief in free trade, no minimum wage, a strong role in the world, protectionism or as one put it, isolationism. Trump has stated Planned Parenthood is important, he stated gay marriage is the law, get use to it. So much for social conservatism. He's not a fiscal conservative either. These views by any other candidate would have got him branded a RINO and scorned.

    I do believe what Republican voters like about him is his fighting spirit, his political incorrectness, his bullying tactics. Ideals and being loyal to a cause has ceased to be important, at least for 40% of Republican primary voters. It all boils down to the man and his persona. Not ideals. Can the man sell the man? Can the man win without a lot of traditional conservatives supporting him? That remains to be seen.

    Or as one person on a panel I watch today put it when it came to a lot of his policies, Trump is a Democrat without the D.
     
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    if trump didn't say what people said then why wouldn't he release the interview?
     
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    Like I said before, I oppose medicare but that doesn't mean I'm going to disadvantage myself by turning down a government benefit I paid for.
    Trump's wives are from the Czech Republic, Georgia and the last one is also Slavic.
    Don't you go calling us Bohunks third worlder's.:evil:
    The Czeck are about the best horticulturalist and wood workers in Europe. I've got some of my great uncles work to prove it. Uncle Ferd was a pattern maker
    for Teddy Roosevelt's navy. That's top of the line carpentry.
     
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    I think the proper question is why wouldn't the New York Times release the interview?
     
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    Let's try to recognize reality. Both Bushes, the last two Republican Presidents; raised the minimum wage. Reagan & Bush Jr engaged in trade warfare, imposing tariffs and Reagan actually got the Japanese to agree to "voluntary" restrictions on auto imports, which lead to Japanese firms to open US factories for Japanese cars.

    Social Conservatism? What...name one thing, that social conservatives have actually conserved? I'm second to none in my opposition to the absurdity of gay marriage. But it is the law, and it's not going away, even if Cruz had gotten the nomination and, against all odds, won the Presidency. If governors have to backtrack on laws to keep male sexual predators out the restrooms of little girls, don't you think the transgenders will win the war against normalcy as well? Those things are now permanent parts of our society (until the caliphate takes over).

    Fiscal Conservatism; it's the same shell game as social conservatism. Right now the Republicans have the largest majority in the Congress since before the Great Depression, so how did that last Omnibus Spending bill work out? Why has no Balanced Budget Amendment gotten a vote in the House? That's a good question for Speaker Ryan...

    Basically, I've let Lucy snatch the football from me one too many times. Maybe you still have enough faith in the system that it will reward you, but I'm tired of being run over by the wheel, I want a candidate to break the wheel.

    Vote Daenerys in 2016. She's unburnt, rested, and ready.
     
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    I'm voting for Gary Johnson in November, Libertarian. The two major parties gave us a choice that 60% of Americans didn't want. I for one will not choose between the two. If one or the other ends up in the White House, blame those who chose them.
     
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    I don't know ... here's a 5+ - page thread starting with him. Do people care more what you have to say or what he has to say?
     
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    NAFTA and the like are not a bad thing. Allowing the US companies to compete globally is good for investment. The one thing that is not happening is allowing those companies to play on a balanced field. Meaning reducing the corporate tax rate and reducing labor costs.

    I'm a Democrat but I do favor reducing corporate taxes and providing credits for payroll costs. I absolutely do not agree with Trumps call for tariff increases as it could lead to a recession and trade wars. We went through this already during the 1900's.

    Allow the companies to compete and provide incentives and training for innovation. I do think green energy could be good but provide incentive.
     
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    I did that for many years too. That way I could feel smug and say, don't blame me, I voted for ----.

    Guess what? The country went to hell while I was being smug and self righteous.
     

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