Moscow voices alarm as NATO Romanian missile defense base goes live

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  1. Balancer

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    That is all I have articulated figures derived from the income tax - a lie? :) And you certainly know better? But what if the money gosudastva holding the Olympics in Sochi in 2014, built the cosmodrome "Vostochny", to re-equip the army and conducted a military operation in Syria? Due to what rising pension modernized health care, building new schools and kindergartens? Who pays for the elimination of consequences of natural disasters? Who pays for the improvement of parks and playgrounds?
     
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    My posting was sarcastic.
    I don't think US foreign politics has created anything democratic in the last five or six decades.
    Whenever Washington interferes somewhere in some part of the world, it's about hegemony and geo-political power.
     
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    Look...you don't have to take my word for it as you can run a search as Putin has said this himself.

    The Russian Economy is collapsing...quickly...and badly.

    Putin himself estimates between 4.5% to 8.5% of NEGATIVE GROWTH for the next 8 years.

    The Russian Economy is projected to FAIL in Spring 2017.

    There is only one nation both capable and willing to prevent this failure and that is the United States.

    Now if Putin doesn't work out a DEAL with the U.S. SOON.....Russian's are going to start having to use U.S. Currency like they did back in 2014.

    AA
     
  4. Pollycy

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    No, honestly you are not right. If the President of the United States complies with the rule of LAW, he cannot "deploy the U.S. Military all on his own" unless there is an emergency situation the in which there is a direct, immediate threat to the United States or its territories or possession. :omg: Ever heard of a LAW called The War Powers Resolution? Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

    It was originally passed by liberal Democrats to keep a horrible mess like Vietnam from ever getting started again, and it worked very well UNTIL our wonderous President Obama smashed it to pieces with his completely illegal acts of war on the legitimate government of Libya in 2011, with which we were AT PEACE! Instead of going to Congress for their vote to enter into hostilities against Libya, he starts aerial bombing campaigns that overthrew the stable government there and turned the whole country over to the same Islamo-Nazis that murdered our American Ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens and his collagues the next year. It has been so unsafe and unstable since July 2014 that we haven't even been able to keep an American Embassy open in the Libyan capital city of Tripoli!

    The entire world sees what an erratic, reckless, and unreliable person can do when 51% of American voters choose to re-elect someone as unqualified, unthinking, and uncaring about rule of LAW as Barack Obama has been. Today, the Germans don't trust us, nobody in Eastern Europe trusts us (but they do want money), the Israelis don't trust us, the Russians think we're led by morons, and the Chinese think we're confused and weak, and the Iranians laugh at us!

    [​IMG]. American naval power on display in the Persian Gulf....
     
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    You really have got to stop posting those ridiculously not so intelligent propaganda lines. I'm going to save you and people who waste money on you a lot of time. Don't bother posting such rubbish as there is no Russian who is going to buy it in this technological age and easy access to information. Russians still remember how the USA 'helped' them in 1990's. Don't make a fool of yourself, please. You're embarrassing the flag you're supposed to represent.

    Harvard Mafia, Andrei Shleifer and the Economic Rape of Russia

    Chronicles of Harvard University Russian Economic Team Scam and Deep Corruption of Academic Economics

    http://www.softpanorama.org/Skeptics/Pseudoscience/harvard_mafia.shtml


     
  6. Balancer

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    Thanks for the suggestion. But Russia already knows what the "USA help" from the 1990s. The US government (I, like the majority of Russian, do not confuse the people and the government) do not want a strong Russia. America needs Russia, such as "strong" as Ukraine, Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan.
     
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    I think it's time you get better translation software mate.
     
  8. Balancer

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    This is because it is difficult to understand what I write to others or because I do not understand what others write to me? :)

    Currently I am using mainly Google Translator. Translators from Yandex or Bing often mistaken changing the meaning of the phrase to the other, literally losing the particle "no" and the like.
     
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    No, I understood what you said. It's just clear that the translations aren't working that well. Not ripping on you about it or anything it's just an honest suggestion. I know its not easy having concersations with people speaking different languages.
     
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    re translate this bit please.

    America needs Russia to be as "strong" as Ukraine etc.

    (meaning that America wishes Russia to be weak enough to defeat them?) maybe?
     
  12. Balancer

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    Yes. It, above, was the sarcasm (therefore "strong" and it is written in quotes).

    Though, I am afraid, it is difficult to translate sarcasm through the electronic translator :)

    I wouldn't tell — to defeat.

    In the modern world there is no place for wins and defeats of the large countries. There is a suppression
    others interests in favor of own interests. America is interested in weak Russia that Russia didn't prevent America to rule the world.
     
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    Russia will restore a missile attack warning station near Crimea’s Sevastopol to counter increasing NATO activity in the Black Sea, Izvestia daily reported, quoting a source in the Russian defense industry.
    The source told reporters that the installation will be based on the Soviet-era Dnepr station (NATO code name Hen House), but that it would be thoroughly modernized. After the facility is overhauled it will be able to register launches of ballistic and cruise missiles, including the latest hypersonic models from the Black and Mediterranean Seas, effectively protecting Russian territory from the south and southeast.

    READ MORE: Russia launches new missile defense to cover Atlantic

    The source also said that in order to make the whole project cheaper, defense industry specialists had opted to restore the abandoned Dnepr station using equipment from a similar station near Irkutsk in Eastern Siberia, instead of building a new Voronezh-class facility.

    Izvestia also reported that the building of the new station will take about 18 months and that the working site would be manned by 15 specialists.

    “After the collapse of the USSR the Dnepr station fell under Ukrainian jurisdiction. Russia rented it for some time, but the contract has been severed on Kiev’s initiative and the station was not used for over 10 years and became completely inoperable,” air defense systems expert Mikhail Khodarenok told reporters. He added that the loss had been fully offset by launching the Voronezh-DM radar station near the Russian city of Armavir, but increasing activity of NATO forces near Russian borders demands further improvement of warning and defense systems.

    Vadim Kozyulin of the Academy of Military Studies told Izvestia that by launching the new station near Sevastopol, Russia would restore the radar field securing all-round defense against missile attacks. The defense expert also said Russia would be able to defend itself against the newest small and high-precision weapons, as it was demonstrated in 2013 when the radar in Armavir registered the launch of the Sparrow target missiles near Israel conducted for US missile defense tests.

    The Russian Defense Ministry told Rossiyskaya Gazeta daily later in the day that the final decision concerning the radar station in Crimea had not been made yet.

    The Crimean Republic became part of the Russian Federation over two years back, after over 96 percent of its residents – the majority of whom are ethnic Russians – voted for the move in an urgently called referendum. The decision was prompted by the change of regime in Ukraine, which ousted the democratically-elected president and government and started a war against the Russian-speaking population in the southeastern regions of the country.

    In March 2015 the head of the Crimean Republic, Sergey Aksyonov, told Sputnik news agency that the region would support the placement of nuclear weapons on its territory were such a decision made in Moscow. He added that he personally was sure that nuclear weapons were perfectly safe for Crimea’s environment because Russian technologies in this field were the most advanced in the world.

    Shortly before this, a Russian Foreign Ministry official said that Russia had the right to place nuclear weapons on the peninsula.

    READ MORE: Russia has right to place nuclear arms on its soil, including Crimea - Foreign Ministry

    During the latest major inspection of the Russian Military Forces, the Defense Ministry reported on the plans to deploy 10 Tupolev 22M3 strategic bombers to Crimea, but did not specify if it was planned to equip the aircraft with nuclear-tipped bombs and missiles.
     
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    The Cuba missile crisis was a direct result of the US siting missiles, aimed at Moscow, in Italy and Turkey. The USSR responded in kind and we came close to global destruction. Poke a bear by all means, but be aware that it can be a very foolish deed.
     
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    Someone has to protect Europe from long range missiles from Iran.
     
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    It kinda ends up the party some minutes after the start... The 'defense base' with 'interceptor rockets' is just the same lie as calling one side of civil war 'peaceful democratic protesters' and the other 'terrorists'. In reality it is rocket starting tables and AEGIS system of controlling the aims. Much cheaper, faster and deadlier way to perform a nuclear attack. Besides, the area of sattelites is not that valuable and decisive factor in case of a strike back. The game of nerves which would definetely follow after the politicians get the new toys deployed and ready to fight. In case any sides has the nerves weaker in the very best of cases this site will stop the existance, the people around will learn to survive the radiation and the US and russian politicians will have a valuable lesson. Most probably it would just end for 95% of world population.
     
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    It is useless to protect the world of russian nuclear rockets. But it is exactly the thing which would provide US president or whoever who makes decisions there to commit the same mistake as it was done in Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Syria etc. The smart asses from DC think that having deceived the propganded dummies will make the Kremlin to turn blind. But it is evident that the interceptor rocket and the wing-rocket with nuclear head need the same infrastructure to take off. :) So it is evident that the most aggressive military alliance in the history of the world which never defended in its history and always attacked is definetely not planning to defend the US in Romania... :)
     
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    Many....Putina has already violated many treaties including the nuclear arms treaty. We can either standby and do nothing, which is apparently what some so called "conservatives" advocate or we can respond accordingly. One thing we should have learned from WWII is that appeasement doesn't work. It didn't work with Hitler and it won't work with Putina. Folks like Hitler and Putina view appeasement as a demonstration of weakness. So the US and allied nations must respond.

    http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/orde...15/06/09-russia-violates-nuclear-treaty-pifer
     
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    Nope. It was Bush who pulled out of ABM first.
     
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    The ABM Treaty allowed this. As long as the side withdrawing gave the other party six months notification. Which the Bush Admin. did.
     
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    I'm aware. Bush withdrew from ABM treaty and initiated plans to put missile shield on Russian borders to protect Europe from IranIan missiles that don't have nowhere near enough range to hit europe.

    I wonder how would USA respond if Russia placed a system on its border with a bogus claim, all the while this sytem will allow them to monitor US airspace as well as put US's high value targets within range of the shield.

    You do know that the missile shield can be equip with tomahawk missiles and be used to stage an attack right?


    I wonder how US would respond. Breaking a few treaties would be the least of it.
     
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    You can launch Tomahawk missiles from virtually anywhere because they come in box launchers.

    You don't need a missile base of any kind. A large truck will do nicely.
     
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    Which ones? Please list.

    ...

    Obama seeks to terminate MOX project at Savannah River

    US President Barack Obama wants to scrap the Department of Energy's project at the Savannah River Site in South Carolina that was designed to take plutonium no longer needed for nuclear weapons and turn it into fuel for commercial nuclear reactors.

    // http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/U...e-MOX-project-at-Savannah-River-10021601.html

    The authorities of South Carolina took the side of Putin

    The authorities of South Carolina through court has demanded from the U.S. government to respect the agreement with Russia on disposing of weapons-grade plutonium. They seek the implementation of agreements of 2010 on the utilization of weapons-grade plutonium from Moscow. Experts believe that Russia has the most time to withdraw from the agreement.

    // http://the-newspapers.com/2016/04/08/the-authorities-of-south-carolina-took-the-side-of-putin
     
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    Unless you go into the Black or Caspian Seas, you won't be able to hit anything of note in Russia. So wrong.

    You pretend that US has a truck mounted cruise missile launch system with integrated radar capabilities. It doesnt.
     

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