The Failure of Atheism to Account for Morality

as long as it is cooked well.

 

No, I don't consider reality to be a force, reality just is. View attachment 43218

Also, I don't capitalize common words at random and assign new meanings to them, so others have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

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"Just 'ts'?"

You do realize that it "moves,"... all the time,... ahead...

 

Sorry I am late to the party had some stuff to do. so far this appears to be a thread of war against Atheists and Christians of morality and fallacy and I wanted to give some of my two cents on the matter.
The thing I see a lot is Christians often times don't understand atheists and vice versa atheists don't understand christians and I am not talking about their belief or disbelief.

I have seen many Christians make the assumption that atheists are not moral since they do not follow a moral God but this is far from the truth I have met many atheists and lots of them honest and good hearted people willing to go out of there way to help others showing respect when no one else would of course this is not always the case but from what I have seen atheists are not evil people and are not without a strong sense of justice and good heart.

As for Christians we are a work in progress we strive to show the heart of the one we follow but fall short sometimes because we are in no way perfect, and regardless of how anyone believes it we are not better in any way than anyone else we are human we make mistakes we screw up and we have a lot to learn and to mature in as much as anyone else and both sides seem to say to each other they are crazy or illogical without truly understanding each other to begin with.

Let me ask all of you this, when you come to these forums and you go into these debates what is your reason and purpose for it? If it's merely to prove yourself right or to prove others wrong or if it's simply because you like the high of a fiery debate then I would say you are here for the wrong reason, I am one of both logic and faith I believe in the unseen but I also am not one to blindly believe anything I am told or taught i seek the facts I do research I connect the dots and find the truth of a matter.

It's because of this that I learned all I have and that I debate how I do, if anything is illogical in this thread it's the pointing of fingers at each other the stones being thrown the accusations and hurtful words. Nothing can be learned or gained from that kind of debate and the war will never end either, it may be from scripture but I think it also applies to anyone that there is wisdom to know when to shake the dust off your feet and walk away

 

If it's just about survival, i could even justify wars and mass extermination. This way some people managed to survive and prosper, at the expense of other people.

 

... but doesn't History say that,... "wars and mass exterminations"... is exactly what one society has done to the last society...???

 

So, you... "find the truth of a matter"... and really worship Truth then...

"'I am the The Truth'... as an ideal...?"

 

Yes I seek and research to find the truth of a matter no matter what it is, a lot of times what we think is the truth is not things are hardly ever as they appear and I make it a point to seek the truth hidden within the truth. How else do you think one learns anything? I'm not sure what you are meaning when you say I am the truth as an ideal but I can assure you my seeking the truth my willingness to grow and to learn is not an ideal it's who I am

 

The guy stated that morals stem from the necessity to survive as a species. So morals are only functional to our own survival. So every way to survive is lecit i guess because that is the primary goal. In other words there are no morals at all. Since there is no god given law, it is all up to ourself, that's the way an atheist will deal with morals. Atheism = moral relativism.

 

... I meant that,... Jesus explained directly to Philip, that he, personified as he was here,... represented the idea of all Truth.

He meant exactly what you just said about the truth: ..."seek and research to find the truth of a matter,... no matter what it is."

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That is what men believe,... but god was saying,... "survive as a "species."

 

Reality "moves"? How?
Do you mean "time", when you say "reality"?

 

I know too many so called GOD believers that have no morals whatsoever. I have met many atheist who do conduct their lives that are considered moral in their behavior.

 

Face it humanity doesn't need gods and goddesses, our technology is advancing us to the stars and to reach the next stage of our development with cloning and genetic engineering and developed a whole philosophical branch of ethics to develop a moral code for every situation once its perfected. Divine faith is irrelevant to that and getting in the way of our ascendency to perfect our species.

 

yeh just like Stalin....kill em all let God sort em out!

 

Reality unfolds anew moment by moment.
We see the changes which describe this movement,... and even clock the changes,... which we time.

 

Morals are things we must do if we want to survive, and also, things we ought not do, too.

The things we might do, immorally, hurt us a a peoples.
Are survival strength rest in our working together.
Each of us has something to contribute to our mutual success, and, as a peoples, we need them all.

Humanity must stop the selfish grasping at power and the lands of pothers,.
We all must support all,... if we hope to survive things which are coming.

Reality unfolding in the future, that is what is coming...

 

But you do see Reality as a force we need consider and work to understand.
Especially about things like comets or giant meteor collisions with Earth, etc...

 

This happens all the time. Unless you don't believe Bush was a Christian.

 

So you think the Muslims wouldn't be coming for us now, if Bush had not acted in Iraq?
I think the Saudi Arabian Report made it pretty clear that 911 was the beginning,... and Bush had the guts to do something then,... before we had this dirty bomb threat to NYC by ISIS.

 

You should publish your own dictionary, Cupid to English, then use it to translate your gibberish so the rest of the world can follow your ramblings.

 

So the war was justified. Thank you for proving my point.

 

"Atheists more generous than religious when helping others: study"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...helping-study-article-1.1072386#ixzz1uCQXwdGL

 

Yes, that is usually how it works.

 

That's it exactly. Morals are survival tactics evolved and enculturated, often times even ritualised. They become code for 'goodness'.

An example is the dangerous water hole. Our small band of cave dwelling humans know that the most important individuals (to survival of the tribe) are 1) children, 2) hunters, 3) breeding females, and 4) grandparents. So, the children drink at the safest time of day, the hunters at the second safest time, and so on down the line. The same process is used for meat ... kids and hunters first, women next, grandparents last. At some point, when agriculture begins and a secure source of water is established, this order will be reversed. Grandparents will be considered important because they can care for children while breeding females work in the fields. They order will most likely then be 1) children, 2) women, 3) grandparents, and 4) hunters. With 2 and 3 interchanging depending on tribe.

It's very easy to see how the above evolves into 'respect your elders', and 'care for children'. I really don't understand why some people are upset or offended by the idea that these 'morals' originate in basic survival skills. Why is that problematic?

 

In other words, a moral of "goodwill toward men" is just hearsay and soothsay for the religious? Or, does it only seem that way on political forums.