What is Trump???

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  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Is he a liberal democrat? He sure used to be. Is he a conservative republican? Many conservative republicans don't seem to think so. Is he a facist or would he be a benevolent dictator? No one knows. We can't use his political record because he has never served a day in government. His voting record shows a liberal democrat past. All we have are campaign promises and we all know what those are worth.

    What is he?

    I pose he is an unknown which could be a great danger to us all
     
  2. MississippiMud

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    Trump is whatever he thinks his audience wants him to be.

    The only thing i can say for sure is he is a reality TV game show host and a business man.
     
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    I couldn't agree more. Who knows what he would be in the oval office?
     
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    Evmetro Active Member Past Donor

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    We also know that he was able to dominate and win the race to nomination. We also know that there are some things that he is not. Nobody has ever been able to post anything on this forum that he has said that proves him to be a racist.
     
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    It turns out that even his political statements are just "suggestions." His supporters say that he is pragmatic and gets things done. However, pragmatism is a means to achieve a goal, not the goal itself. Nobody knows what Trump's ultimate goals are - everything turns on whether you trust him as an individual.

    With a guy like Paul Ryan you know what you're gonna get. With Trump, it's anybody's guess.
     
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    what is trump? not human....
     
  7. Vegas giants

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    He may even be able to get elected. Like Hitler
     
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    Trump is the Creator of all things.
     
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    I am appalled that you would marginalize Hitler's evilness like this. You have no respect for the Jews who endured it by elevating him to Trump's level. What do you have against Jews?
     
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    Hitler had done nothing to the jews at the same point in his career as Trump. Trump may even exceed Hitler in his evil
     
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    Why do you hate jews so much?
     
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    does anyone remember the term "citizen statesman"? before we had these massive machines churning out political automatons, we had real people in office. we had leaders from the military and from the business community that aspired to and achieved high political office. donald trump might have the capacity to become one of those. i say might because the reactions of all such men, when thrust into a position they are unaccustomed to, are impossible to predict. it's easy to see what donald trump isn't. he isn't a religious right conservative stereotype, but the base for that type is a dying breed anyway. he isn't a tax and spend collectivist, but the democratic party is filed with those and we certainly don't need any more. despite what the malcontents, partisan hacks and marxist wanna-bes may claim, he isn't a racist, a misogynist, a fascist or some inhuman cyborg sent back from the future to destroy the nation. for decades he has been, first and foremost, a businessman, playing by the rules of that game and, though failing at times, managing to make himself and others quite a bit wealthier. should he succeed in gaining the oval office, we can only hope that he can adapt to that new set of rules and succeed with as few set-backs as possible.

    if you need some political label for the man, moderate democrat may be the most apt. like most of us, he sees the need for many of the programs set in place over the years and recognizes that most have them have become bogged down in bureaucratic manure and political corruption. like most of us, he sees an economy teetering on the brink of a fiscal cliff, with too many jobs being lost to more business friendly locations and too much red tape interfering with the creation of new industry. like most of us, he recognizes the splintering of our society, citizen turned against citizen as the political elite strives to cement their power with blame games and scapegoating. like most of us he sees our neighbors to the south flooding us with what they consider their refuse and reaping billions of dollars in return for allowing us to take care of those they refuse to care for. the answers to all these problems are so simple even a democrat could figure them out, but the political machines involved simply won't allow for the proper measures to be taken. they are unwilling to possibly alienate some future voting bloc, to appear somehow intolerant or to take any chance that may endanger their own political power. donald trump has no such ax to grind, no political fiefdom to protect or machine to impress.

    for those of you who keep whining about his lack of record in political office, i'd suggest you quit complaining about what many of you considered a strength during bambam's first election. you quickly brushed aside any mention of the inexperience of the junior senator who voted "present" more often than he stood up for any great belief. though some of you seem quite satisfied with his less than stellar performance over the last eight years, the prolonged economic slump, the mess that is the middle east, the failure of his flagship legislation and a society more in danger from the outside and more splintered by racial tensions are all "accomplishments" that leave most of us with an impression of failure. all he did was blindly follow along with his party's agenda, never wavering from the progressive talking points or or injecting anything of his own into the process. bambam's failure is not his own, it is the failure of the machine that created him. at least with trump we won't have that same problem of unimaginative leadership. he is no party lackey, he isn't anyone else's automaton. he is largely a creature of his own creation, not attached to any agenda but the vision he has toward a better america. he plays the game. he gives us catch-phrases and easily digested soundbites just like the rest of them, but only time and luck will tell if his vision has any merit.
     
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    Still, Hitler had better hair.
     
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    I pose you are correct.....he will become whatever he decides to be........for a day.
     
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    adolf hitler was not elected
    He was appointed chancellor by the president
    And seized power from that point on
     
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    So unless someone can be put into a category you are afraid of them? LOL! You are just one of the Trump haters that oppose common sense.
     
  17. Vegas giants

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    Why do you hate americans?

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    All you have from trump are promises
     
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    [video=youtube;tojicre_Qe8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tojicre_Qe8[/video]
     
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    of course. collectivism is all about labeling the members of society in order to decide what role they are to play and whether or not they are "the enemy". the individual is abhorred and those that defy the classic labels are immediately considered "the enemy". this is the epitome of the peasant mentality, dividing the community up into its distinct and utilitarian parts in order to simplify their reality and keep them from actually having to think about anything. .
     
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    NeoConservative-Liberal -Conservative Fascista - Legacy Democratic -Capitalistic Socialist-Monarchistic Blipblabber Communistic Republicanistical Blthering Anus Haired Kaboomka ......... that clear it up for you ?
     
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    Sound analysis and really what we all should hope for if Trump gets the chair. This is as good a rundown as i have read as to what Trump "might" be.

    Thing is we just don't know. Rather I don't know. Which is why i won't vote for him. I also won't vote against him. At this stage of the game i cannot trust him simply because i do not know where Trump the game show host ends and Trump the would be president begins.
     
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    we can never know for sure what anyone will do once elected. lack of a record is no better or worse than a longstanding record. you can allow fear of the worst case scenario to rule your decisions or you can take the chance that he will stand by the philosophy he claims to have espoused. that fear is what the democratic collectivists are counting on. they know that everything in my above post is absolutely true and that i am absolutely correct when i say "like most of us". the anti-capitalist crowd, the open borders crowd and the rest of the malcontents are nowhere near a majority in this country. most of us are moderates who are justifiably worried over the decidedly anti-american stance that is so common among those that the liberal establishment seeks to endear itself to. the democrats know that if those moderates are willing to believe that trump will hold the course, then hillary won't have a chance. their only hope is the mudslinging, innuendo and outright lies that have become their stock in trade. so they are doing what they always do, try to turn the entire election process into a bad snl skit and hope that the ignorant electorate falls for it.
     

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