Can you condemn Mohammad Ali for his racist views?

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  1. micfranklin

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    The level of irony in this post is intoxicating.
     
  2. micfranklin

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    I'm pretty sure if I lived in his time period and saw the things that were going on and why I'd take a long time condemning him.
     
  3. Libhater

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    Irony?
     
  4. micfranklin

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    Yes, the irony of one using racist 3 times and talking about shedding "racist light" on a guy while making various race and racist-based threads on this very forum.
     
  5. Third Eyientist

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    I will absolutely condemn Ali's blatant racism and all those racist religious texts you mentioned as well. That was easier than trying to defend it.
     
  6. Esau

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    Ali wasn't racist. That's why he was loved by millions of whites. Do you think millions of blacks love David duke?
     
  7. Third Eyientist

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    I won't be waiting for you to explain how this makes any sense what so ever. How and the hell do you figure, in that little noggin of yours that Ali's racism has anything to do with how many people of any color loved him?
     
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    Yes, blind hatred for other's beliefs is a bad thing.
     
  9. Libhater

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    What you seem to overlook is that most any and or all threads I post here concerning race will indeed point out the racist intent of lefties (which certianly describes ali). Again, where is the irony?
     
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    If millions of whites loved him then how does that make him racist to whites. It doesn't does it.
     
  11. micfranklin

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    The irony of a poster shedding racist light about his views on race and not wanting to integrate when no less than 2 of their own threads are advocating that very thing.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/race-relations/452662-admit-we-need-peaceful-segregation.html

    http://www.politicalforum.com/race-relations/457841-living-among-our-own.html

    Is that glass house of yours stone-proof?
     
  12. Libhater

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    Please give me an example of me shedding a racist light on my views on race. What I think (not sure) is that you're saying that by me describing the racist intent of another am doing so by being a racist myself. Is that what you're saying/thinking?
     
  13. E_Pluribus_Venom

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    To call a black person in his era racist is to excuse everything that made the stance a thing.
     
  14. micfranklin

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    No, just that its pretty ballsy/hypocritical of you of all people to wanna talk about someone else's racism when you yourself seem to revel in it.
     
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    Wait, you are going to take the word of the KKK in order to prove your point?
     
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    That is a bunch of BS, and you know it. The videos don't lie, the man was a race realist; and it is totally appropriate for the poster to bring this up at this point in time because of all the hoopla over his death. Personally I agree with most of what he says. We all tend to gravitate towards those of our kind. We can pay lip service to diversity, but we huddle with our kind. Buddha said that there is no greater pleasure than haveing a son who looks like the father. I agree with Ali and the Buddha on this. As far as institutional racism, I call BS on that too. If anything there is institutional racism against whites.
     
  17. Libhater

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    According to you I seem to be reveling in my own racism, but what you can't seem to grasp is that many people (including myself) who choose to post hard hitting facts about avid racists here on this race forum do so without having the least bit of a racist bone in my/our bodies. I've dated many black women, a couple Chinese women, a full fledged American Indian woman (not a faux Injun like liz warren) and was married to a Jewish woman. So I have mingled with them all which kind of gives me the chance and desire to heavily criticize the racists among us and among those who love to s*ck up the limelight with our leftist media.
     
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    So? Do you want a medal or something?
     
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    Again though, I'm pretty sure most Muslims dont even know that. I sure as hell didn't. Just as most people don't know that Hitler never, in fact, stated that blonde haired, blue eyed people were the only superior beings, and just as most people probably dont know that 8 pointed star, is, in fact, a Christian symbol as well as a Jewish one. However, even though these are facts, its not like people see an 8 pointed star and immediately think "Christian" nor do people see an Indian man and assume, Nazi Aryan. The point is not that these aren't facts, its that they aren't strong enough facts to be part of the generally true character of a person. To say that, for example, David Duke was an animal rights activist (I dont know if that's true or not, just a hypothetical), doesn't make him a nice guy. And to bring up pedophilia as an argument, pedophilia and homosexuality are somewhat similar only that one is illegal and the other is not. Why? This is all a matter of opinion here.

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    Yea they may have been words from his speeches, but the source they came from contorts the truth a little bit (that's what a political biased source does). It still may give you facts, (ie. these clips are real bona fide clips) but can still present them in a manner that biases the facts towards a certain conclusion.
     
  20. FreedomSeeker

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    Gosh, let's fight racism with....MORE RACISM! No, that's not the way, and Ali didn't understand that.
     
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    We go back in a time-machine to btthegreat in 1937: "No, Freedomseeker, I will NOT, REPEAT NOT, condemn this 'Adolf' guy that you keep complaining about, because I don't have the moral courage to take a stand against things that are wrong!"
     
  22. FreedomSeeker

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    ...or....or, maybe, just maybe, religions create immoral people - after all, the founders/heroes of most religions are immoral (approve of racism, slavery, harm to gays, mal-treatment of women, etc.) so it would make sense that those who idolize them would follow in that immorality.
     
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    You don't have enough self-confidence to make a strong moral judgment, in other words.
     
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    A great man rises above the immorality around him. Ali didn't with racism, and Jesus didn't with slavery, racism, hatred of gays (we never condemned Moses/OT for it's hatred of gays), mistreatment of women (never spoke up against Moses/OT...but did meet with and approve of Moses in the transfiguration), etc.
     
  25. FreedomSeeker

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    Yes, it is. That's why I love Islam's call to give to charity (zakat), for example, and condemn it's approval of rape....I look at merrit of a belief system, and at it's implications to the world.
    Islam approves of rape: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/rape-adultery.aspx
    Can you condemn Mohammad for that, DarkDaimon, or will you give a person who might have been responsible (indirectly) for millions of rapes a pass?

    Have a great weekend.
     

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