Lock up those on FBI terrorist watch list

America has to wake up and realize we are at war. This guy that just killed 50 Americans was on the FBI terrorist watch list and WTF good did that do? I would propose that if you make it onto this list you are arrested and brought before a judge who would look at the evidence and make a decision if you are a threat or not. If deemed a threat you would be taken to a POW camp and kept their for the duration. I know the cries of anguish from the left would be deafening but I'd rather hear them cry than ever more civilian victims in this war. Sad part is that not only will this never happen under a Democrats administration but Obama has been doing just the opposite and releasing as many terrorist as he can. We are at war and need to start acting like we are at war or we will lose.


WASHINGTON — Keeping the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay open is "contrary to our values," President Obama said Tuesday, as he released a plan that examined 13 potential sites for transferring the suspected terrorists but did not propose any specific location.

His plan sets up a last-year confrontation with Congress about a campaign promise made eight years ago. Terrorists use Guantanamo as propaganda to recruit, and maintaining it harms U.S. national security, he said."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-releases-plan-close-guantanamo-bay/80792250/

 

Sure you want to go down that route? There are Christian, anti-government righties that are also on that "watch" list since it would be determined by a judge, so they would be locked away and put into camps as well as those MOOOSLIMS.

 

I agree, those on the terror watch list should be dealt with. Since we know Marteen was on the terror watch list and was able to buy a gun legally three weeks before the shooting was committed, it shows a gross incompetence that must be addressed.

 

This war we are in is with radical Islam, they are the enemy.

 

Send them to the Gulags, comrade!

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He's calling for people to be put in cages with only the opinion of a judge and you think that he's anti-government? He's the red guy in his avatar and proud of it.

 

Dude - hate to tell you this, but you post on a politically active forum - sometimes making derogatory comments about others ...
YOU probably ARE on the FBI watch list.

 

If they are a threat that is serious enough that people could be imprisoned without a trial for laws they might break then perhaps we could consider making it more difficult for them by not selling guns to them, Oh, we tried once and failed. Never mind.

“NRA, Republicans block proposed law to stop suspected terrorists from buying guns in U.S. More Than 2,000 Terror Suspects Have Bought Guns Legally in U.S.”
NY Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

 

Perhaps now they'll see reason? I'm taking the OP at face value, I've no indication to do otherwise. To that end, I agree that people on the FBI terror watch list shouldn't be able to legally buy guns.

 

Yep nothing like suspending due process and the constitution.

The whack job that committed the shootings in Orlando was an AMERICAN.

But god forbid, more sane gun laws about who can have access and ownership of same is ANTI_AMERICAN and unconstitutional!


Double standards seem to abound.

 

One of the difficulties is the "political" weapon that is denoting terrorism. Since no one wears a "uniform" called terrorist ORG, anyone who is called a "terrorist" would be seen as a terrorist(in relation to buying guns.) Thus, to second amendment proponents it's a huge impediment on citizens.

If such a distinction could be made clear in legislation that refers to those who clearly committed or verbally committed to ACTUAL terrorist acts, I think you'd pass a similar bill today.

 

Oh it's going to take a LOT more gays dying than that for the Left to sign off on this.

 

He had been on the TWL, they took him off the list for lack of evidence a few years ago. The problem with the TWL is that it's fundamentally unconstitutional. There is no due process that gets you on the list, and you can be on the list without knowing it. I'm not sure what is worse--the terrorists, or the authoritarians (on both sides) that want to take away more and more rights and give more power to the government.

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He was not on the TWL a few weeks ago. He was on it a few years ago, and was taken off of it for lack of evidence. Do people not research before they spout off?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-omar-mateen-was-taken-off-a-terrorist-1465772737-htmlstory.html

 

Oh, heck yeah!


Anyone suspected of anything should be denied each and every Constitutional right.

 

So you want government bureaucrats to decide if some one should just be locked up? Are you insane? As a conservative I find your suggestion appalling. If you wish to give the federal government that kind of power you mise well join with Bernie and campaign as a Socialist. If we will not stand up and protect our Constitutional rights no one else will.

 

As usual, libs upset that we don't include innocent people in their attempt to ban guns. The 'no fly list' used to include my boss because he had a corkscrew in his luggage but I guess in your world he is a suspected terrorist because the article said so.

 

Number of Muslims in the United States who committed a massacre on Sunday: 1

Number of Muslims in the United States who DIDN'T commit a massacre on Sunday: 3.3 million

^^That^^ is why we don't try to penalize an entire demographic for the actions of a tiny handful.

The watch list is a slightly different question, as there is at least SOME process by which people get added to it.

Still, there are 400,000 people on the watch list. The vast majority of them never do anything criminal. You would be locking up innocent people indefinitely. Which strikes me as highly unAmerican.

Oh, and BTW, Mateen was removed from the watch list after the FBI completed its investigation of him and declined to charge him with anything. So he still would have been free.

 

I would say that if you have made it onto the FBI watch list, for whatever reason, you can no longer obtain firearms or explosives. That would require gun and explosives dealers to have immediate access to FBI watch lists. We know from San Berdoo and Orlando that the killers obtained their weapons just a few days before their acts. So what if it costs $thousands to get your name removed from the watch list?

But watch the NRA cry FOUL!!!

 

Aren't we really at war with ANYBODY who carries out or threatens mass murder against us? I don't like Timothy McVeigh any more than I like al Baghdadi.

 

Yes, some lesser sanction like that would be more reasonable. But it requires some faith in the mechanism by which people get added to the list. It would probably make more sense to have a smaller "warning" list of people who are not allowed to have guns -- with a more stringent process for getting added, and a functional, expedited appeals process for getting off of it.

But to point out again ... Mateen was no longer on the watch list, so this wouldn't have stopped him.

 

To paraphrase Trump's spokesperson as for why this huge violation of rights would be okay to the OP: "Who cares? They're Muslims!"

 

How about we just apply due process? If they are considered a threat, either try and convict them or leave them the heck alone.

Well-meaning but scared sheeple from both left and right are bound and determined to destroy what little freedom we have left in this country due to their lust to be cared for and protected by government. We've become a nation of dependent wussies scared of our own shadows, willing to give up ANYTHING to feel safe. It's freakin digusting. If it were left up to nancies like ya'll, this country would still be a series of unsettled colonies of multiple countries...hugging the coastlines for fear of the savages roaming the interior.

 

1. Marteen was not in Gitmo nor was his father and nor was anyone else. False flag #1
2. Yes, he was on the Terrorism watch list because he made political speech about hating gays and women. But since no evidence was found and could not be confirmed, they FBI did what he could only do, drop the case until more information and evidence comes in. A US citizen is protected under the Constitution and you want to get rid of it in a whim. What do you think this is? USSR?
3. There is a difference between a legal combatant and an illegal combatant under the Geneva Convention.
4. Which country are we at war with? Afghanistan? We do not even recognize the ISIS caliphate nor should we. That would give ISIS more legitimacy than any terrorist plot in any country no matter how many are killed or maimed by said terrorist action. Yet, you want to give them legitimacy. Why?
5. He went the legal route, had a job, and passed the background check. Somehow I think you want to racially profile and not give any Muslim, not to mention Black, Hispanic, or Asian a gun. So much for your love and respect of said Constitution.

 

US Senator Kennedy was put on the watch list. Therefore he should have been imprisoned?

People have been put on the terror watch list because they have the same name as someone else. It takes very little to put anyone on a watch list.

There are over 1,000,000 on the "terror watch list."

https://www.aclu.org/terror-watch-list-counter-million-plus

 

That's much more reasonable. If they're on the watch list, there should be a trial.

 

There should be a trial to put them on the watch list. This notion that you can have your rights infringed upon due to unspecified suspicions is about as Orwellian as you can get. If one is too dangerous to fly or too dangerous to own a firearm, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU LETTING THEM WALK OUR STREETS FREE?