Israel statement at 32nd session of UN Human Rights Council 14 Jun 2016

... And that's why there shall be no peace talk nor peace, one way or another. Peace would be inconvenient for Israel.

 

Oh isn't area C a necessary no man's land crafted for Israeli protection near it's 1948 green line?

Or is it an area throughout the West Bank that Israelis still wish to build on?

Explain it to us and why it's reasonable to be Israelis citizens living there.

 

Palestine has NOT yet been recognised as a state. Palestine has non-member state observer status at the UN. Full recognition of statehood will surely follow.

 

Peace means a lack of land. And when one can tolerate the level if violence and the cost of occupation why leave?

 

There's a lot of double-talk involved; take for example the so-called 'freeze'. This only applied to new settlement builds-existing projects underway were allowed to continue unabated. Furthermore Netanyahu recently announced an acceleration of the settlement building programme. So much for wanting peace...

 

Indeed. Why would they? Occupation is not costing them much. They are free to crowd Palestinians into bantusan towns indefinitely until the West Bank is majority Jewish in area C.

 

I would like to express my thanks to the recent posters on this thread for making their arguments without the usual name calling and personal attacks. The Palestinian issue is intensely personal and painful for those directly involved and the pro-Israel posters have done a good job of making points without throwing mud. This is refreshing.

Even with emotion set aside, the strictly legal and historical arguments about Israel are profoundly complicated and have no clear resolution, This often happens in major global issues; In the end it tends to be the broad flow of world opinion as powered by national economic interests that directs the ultimate resolution.

It is on this broad plain of world opinion that Israel is clearly losing ground. In 1948, outside the Arab world, Israel stood at a peak of world approval. The horrors of the Holocaust had made Zionism an unavoidable issue and the new state seemed to be a model utopia of democracy, tolerance and rebuilding in a shattered world,

The Arabs made their case poorly, despite the legitimacy of some of their arguments. The clumsy resort to military force made Israel the plucky underdog and cemented an alliance with the Western Allies which doomed Arab hopes.

Alas, Israel began discarding the moral authority with which it began. This may have started in the Suez War, when Israel joined the colonial powers in attacking Egypt. The Jewish state chose Sparta over Athens as its model and became aggressive rather than defensive in its position. This posture reached its acme in 1967. Armed with invincible military support, Israel began to dream of lebensraum and Eretz Israel, the very sort of European irredentism which led to wars in previous generations.

In this new atmosphere, Likud rose to power and then to dominance as the embodiment of a radically different understanding of Zionism. Alas, the new Zionism seems to most nations a mixture of the old colonialism and militarism. Israel has now only the US veto and US finance standing between it and the rest of the world. This is unsustainable but Israel seems locked in the fatal grip of its own delusions.

 

Not complicated at all.
The Jews ethnic cleansed almost 800.000 Arabs. The Jews, being in a majority voted in a government, to make it illegal for Arabs to return and legal to thieve their land. And just like that the Jews keep on ethnic cleansing Arabs across their border to illegally expand their country, while the Jews complain that their ethnic cleansing culture has a backlash. And that backlash is a minority of Arabs who are violently objecting to the apartheid state.

It only becomes complicated when Jewish organisations corrupt other countries to look the other way.
But that trick is ending, because thieving and ethnic cleansing is just plain wrong. And the Jews got much to answer for.

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It's costing them a lot. But much of the military equipment is just being donated by the US, and in return they are thieving most of the water out of the WB.

 

It is recognized as a state, a state that is not a member of the UN. Hence the non-member state observer status, not to be confused as a non-member non-state.

 

Indeed but costs are relatively to what they think they gain. They gain continued potential for the land. If they make peace they lose it forever.

 

They already lost the PR war. People despise them so much that Jews world wide are being associated with the Jew state and their ethnic cleansing policies.

 

That's good news for them. They like to be persecuted. More citizens for the state. More money etc etc.

 

And what a State it'll be, with no economy, no manufacturing capacity, no viable infrastructure, no marketable skills other than digging tunnels and stabbing in the backs. Not even gonna have forests this state of yours, for goats will make a short work of them in no time. And no peace, for being who they are, they will continue to launch rockets and dig tunnels and stab Israelis, and being bombed in return.

In 1948 Arabs were what? under 150 thousand in Israel, right? And after being efficiently ethnic cleansed for 70 years, today they're around 2 mln, right? Why don't they just leave the Jewish hell, and go live someplace else? Yea, right, Arabs love living in Israel.

What a joke this proclaimed by UN Statehood will be. Without Israel agreeing to it, that is.

 

Where on earth do you get your numbers from. The proposed Jewish state would have had 407,000 Arabs, 45% of the population. When the British took over the mandate the Jewish population was only 56,000 to the estimated 700,000 Arabs and that was after Jews had been immigrating there for some time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

 

And this small band of Jews ethnic cleansed and beat up all these hordes of Arabs? Wow... They're better at it than I thought

 

Yeah, Israel destroyed all of the above. And don't give me any crap about rockets; any occupied state is entitled to defend itself against aggression from the occupier.

 

You're just talking gibberish.

 

Eviatar Manor rocks.

 

There was NONE of the above to begin with, Israel built everything they have in Israel, Samaria and Judea. And the last I check, there's no state of Palestine still. You've said it yourself. So, don't give me crap about defending State.

 

Years ago I've watched documentary about mighty Israeli airforce defeating mighty Egyptian army in the war of independence.

Mighty Israely airforce at the time had four salvaged Czech planes, or something like that

 

Israel in 1948 had 25 Czech Avia S-199 and 62 Spitfire MkIX. Hardly '...four salvaged...', but please continue with your pathetic attempts at defending the indefensible.

 

As I've said, an advanced Egyptian army was turned back by 4 salvaged Czech fighters. That had won the war.

Dispute that.

 

I just showed you that your figures are a lie. Israel had, in 1948, nearly 100 fighter aircraft. The Egyptian Air Force also flew Spitfires during that period and in the War of Independence. Not quite as "advanced" as you like to paint it, is it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Israeli_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Air_Force#1948_Arab-Israeli_War

 

If she did you would hear about her before I did.

 

It means both things we mentioned and a few others we did'nt, you need to see all positions to get the full picture, but that's not your role here is it....