So! when Hillary wins, are Republicans going to invest heavily in American Market

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  1. TheAngryLiberal

    TheAngryLiberal Banned

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    Because they should. One of the reasons I love Obama so much is how wonderful he's been for me financially. I believed in the Hope and Change and invested HEAVILY in the Markets, when GW Bush tanked the economy and the Dow was around 6500 in March of 2009, Now the Dow has routinely been over 18,000 and my Portfolios and retirement accounts have grown tremendously to the point that I could retire right now and live out the rest of my years a very comfortable life. The ones who've suffered most, because of their Biggoted Hatred for Obama are the ones who were TOO! Stupid to look and realize that Obama was going to make American Businesses regain confidence and begin growing again. When Hillary is elected, my forecast is for another BOOM! in the positive direction, where America prospers even more than it has in the last 8 years and you better get ready to invest, because I'm going to be reminding you of how dumb you were if you didn't OR! you can just sit there and (*)(*)(*)(*) and Moan and eat Oatmeal for another 8 years, while the rest of us who believed are sittin on the Beach in Hawaii sippin Mai Tai's
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    I believe they would invest if they could. Its kinda sad how hillarys wallstreet donors looted most Americans life savings.

    Hillary is basically a republican and used to be a registered republican, till she got bounced for lying during watergate.
     
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    their going to keep rich liberals and conservatives propped up on false promises of paper money, where the real wealth is stolen from the bottom half.

    the 47 percent of net recipients according to mitt romney.
     
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    Hillary is the Wall Street candidate so it makes sense to buy in.
     
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    No of course they won't. They'll go back to doing everything they can to stall progress so they can turn around and blame that stall on the Democrats. Just like they've done for the last 20 years.

    The Republican party has no interest in an improved America unless they are the ones directing what they consider improvement to be. And unfortunately, their idea of improvement seems to be to let business do whatever it wants without regulation or oversight, as long as the profits keep coming to their wealthy supporters and funders.
     
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    Typical "progressive", when you get right down to it, its all about "Me! Me! Me!" All that talk of a better society, fairness, equality is all BS and falls by the wayside as long as you get yours.
     
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    trump has no wealthy supporter but himself, the democrats have all the wealthy supporters and funders this time?
     
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    So! when Hillary wins, are Republicans going to invest heavily in American Market

    Can goods and ammo
     
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    Ya, hate to break it to you, but you're not peddling progress. Quite the opposite.
     
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    This isn't unique to President Obama. Democratic Presidents have been better for the economic and job market for a long time. Given what President Obama inherited from the last republican stooge in office, he's basically a miracle worker.

    I'm also amazed at my salary increases since President Obama took office. Because the job market is so lucrative right now and there's a shortage of salaried workers, companies are paying a fortune to retain the employees they have. I got 3 increases last year and am on my 2nd this year and our bonuses have increased. Its why I haven't taken early retirement...its just too amazing to leave right now. Since Hillary is going to be the next President, I might end up working into my 50s.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With all of that new money one would think you now have the time to learn about paragraphs.
     
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    Yeah! that's good stuff right there, because of Republican paranoia Gun and Ammo sales have gone through the roof for the last 7 years even though Barack Obama hasn't confiscated Guns like the GOP would have you believe. Hmm! that's good advice though, because when Hillary gets elected and starts kicking down Gun Owners doors, I'm going to be heavily invested in Colt, Glock, Remington and all the Ammo manufactures. Thanks for the TIP
     
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    Don't forget firearm sales.. they have been at their highest for the last 7 yrs.. i'm sure they will continue if hillary is elected!
     
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    Hey, because I'm a caring Liberal, I'm gonna let you selfish Republicans in on a Secret, SHHHHHHH! don't spread it around too much, but invest in GUNS, buy Smith and Wesson Stock, they've gone from around $ 2 dollars a share in 2009 to almost $30 a share recently. That means if you had invested a $1000 in their Stock back when Barack Obama was elected, your investment would be worth $15,000 now. There ya go, another reason to vote for HILLARY:roflol:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?source...spv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=smith+and+wesson+stock+price
     
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    All Hillary is going to do is empower the modern day robber barons. Hillary kowtows to the rich and powerful the way the poor coolies kowtowed to the emperor. You think Marge Schott in a pantsuit gives a damn about the poor and down trodden you've been had by the family huckster.
     
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    The middle class will continue to shrink no matter who is in office. Republican, Democrat, they are all serving the same people.
     
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    Capital Gains Tax Increase -- Clinton has proposed an increase in the capital gains tax.”

    Tax on Stock Trading -- Clinton has proposed a new, unquantified tax on stock trading. The tax increase would only further burden markets by discouraging trading and investment. Inevitably, costs associated with this new tax will be borne by millions of American families that hold 401(k)s, IRAs and other savings accounts.
     
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    Not for lack of trying! That mother (*)(*)(*)(*)er has been grabbing at them with his grubby fingers since day 1. His problem is the forefathers figured there would be un american people like him and put in appropriate safeguards which although didntbwork perfectly did however work. Hes got a few more months then hes in the history books as the single worst President this nation has ever seen.
     
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    lol...you do realize that the market isn't Progressive. Anyone can invest in it and when the job market does well, its good for everyone.
     
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    Martin Shkreli said as much in an interview with Milo Yiannopoulous, which is why he supports Hillary and not Trump. Democrats tend to do very well for the stock market.
     
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    Read post #1, then you will understand my post.
     
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    lets take apart what you've said and find out just HOW successful things have been... you threw out two numbers, 6500 and 18000... they sound VERY different hey?

    but lets review the dow and see just how different an "investor" would be after the collapse and recovery... lets see, this means we'll need to know where we started before we dropped to 6500 right? well lets see, in 2007 the dow was at a height of almost 14000 before the collapse... so already, your 18000 number suddenly isn't that impressive, now why would I say thats not very impressive? well you said these are "retirement accounts", which means people were invested in something the entire time, and likely never made ANY changes since they have so few... which means they went from 14000 to 18000 which is basically just 28% over a 9 year period... horrible...

    now we could make an assumption you're freely trading and have earmarked this money for retirement so its not a traditional 401k where people likely just sat in the entire time of the collapse and subsequent rise... I actively trade, in fact I've had numerous threads on this website with a few people and shared our picks with each other, this is not something someone with a typical "retirement account" can do, so we almost have to throw this one out the window since all they have access to in typical 401k or IRA plans is basically a version of index funds of some sort, managed or unmanaged... and those simply follow the market as it rises and sinks, and last I checked, they are roughly on pace for the exact same results we just discussed above... so a 28% gain over 9 years really isn't impressive at all...

    but now that we established the top, the bottom, and the eventual outcome... we need some comparison data right, how was the dow doing PRIOR to the collapse, basically we need to look at the DOW from lets say October 1998 to October 2007 right... so we can compare those results to October 2007 to June 2016 right... then we can have a 9 year comparison in each sample... well it seems the DOW went from 8500 to the 14000 we mentioned earlier, thats a 64% gain in that time period... so we have two time periods... one where the DOW went from 14000 to 18000 for a 28% gain and one where the DOW went from 8500 to 14000 for a 64% gain... hmmm so it seems the DOW was actually more impressive in the previous time period, unless you would like to challenge me, and stick with that 28% gain over a 64% gain?

    generally the sign of an amazing economic recovery, is not just barely exceeding where you were before you collapse, its blowing away where you were prior to the collapse, thats the basic economic measure... I mean does anyone with money in their 401k from 2007 say, wow I'm sure glad we're up 28% after 9 years... thats not a great recovery, the great recovery would have been if they were up 64% like the DOW did in the previous 9 years, which means it would need to be 23000 for us to be having a great economic recovery... however you can see we're nowhere near 23000 right now, 18000 is a long ways off... we're basically 28% short of where we should be if this was a good economic recovery... especially if we use past collapses as a measuring stick and how far they not just got back to where they were, but achieved similar prior growth... this is a complete failure... especially since we're now 20 trillion in debt that has to be paid back... which means that retirement money, yeah they'll be taxing that soon...

    look I get it, you hate republicans and love democrats... but sadly the numbers just don't work out to tout the DOW as a good example, it actually disproves it... I'm not trying to change your ideology, I'm just suggesting you find a better measuring stick, especially if we compare this to past recoveries from collapses under either political party, they were FAR better than this one was, and we were in FAR worse shape in several of those other economic collapses, as individuals and as a country...

    I mean do I sadly need to point out how many more americans receive welfare than before, this is not a success...

    P.S. I guess I should answer your original question also hey... basically, "republicans" like any other business owner, won't invest unless there is a reason to invest... business owners don't just spend money for no reason, they need a reason, that reason is usually demands for what they are selling, otherwise there is little reason to invest money in anything if they aren't going to get a return from it... so it doesn't matter who the president is, it matters more about their customers buying their stuff... and in case you're wondering, the american market isn't really growing for many companies, its stalling, and the real growth is international, which is why so many large companies are even larger, because of their international profits, not their american profits... but I assume you would know that being such a brilliant investor right, so it would seem that might be the answer to your question, there might not be any reason in the future to invest here, because the larger growth is elsewhere... which could likely bring us to the debate about business taxes and international profits and how that will impact the next president as more companies leave as a result of world growth while america stalls... but let me know if you want to discuss that as well...
     
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    haha, I was thinking the same, but i moving in 4 years no matter who is the potus.
     
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    You sound like an ows supporter. Why do you hate the 1%?
     
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    Lol...Not really.Progressives tend to think more about us, us, us.
    Reactionaries like to think about I, me, mine.
    Clinton summed it up perfectly when he noted that the cons were all about, "you're on your own" while the dems were all about, "we're in this together".
     

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