US sailors ill-prepared for Iran encounter in Gulf

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  1. Questerr

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    So Obama gets reports on every unit in the US military? How does he have time to do anything but read those reports?

    How much military knowledge does Trump have?
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stop pretending to have an argument. Obama gets RNA reports from his joint chiefs. He then gets briefed monthly by each branch head. If there's a unit THIS POORLY trained, it's the fault of those he has supervising this. The mere fact that we had a navy unit get taken so embarrassingly, is the direct reflection of his leadership and those he placed in position.

    We get it, we get it. You'll defend Obama even if he kicked your dad in the nuts. You spin EVERYTHING negative about him into someone else's fault. The fact is, he's a bad commander in chief. Horrible. It's why military times polls on him are so negative, it's why his leadership is looked down upon.

    The actions of those he supervises IS his problem. Glad I helped clear up your confusion.
     
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    Actually he has, that's one of the jobs of Valerie Jarrett, to oversee the social engineering of the military where classes on the Military Code of Conduct and classes on combat are replaced with PC diversity and sensitivity classes.

    All of these sailors on the RCB's that were captured, who didn't put up a fight were PC snowflake sailors. Their commanding officers up the chain of command weren't warriors, probably PC yes men who replaced the warriors that Obama purged from the military.

    Read the entire 86 page report, I did, it was just released this morning. It can be found on an active thread started yesterday where it's suppose to be in the PF military forum. -> http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=463322&page=2&p=1066358754#post1066358754
     
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    We are talking about a pair of boats. That would be the equivalent of a single squad not being trained.

    If there is a single squad that doesn't meet its KRI's in say 1st Cav, do you really think notification of that even reaches FORCECOM, let alone the President?
     
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    No. There's nothing super secret about it. He's doing it rather openly actually.
     
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    Nice to see you personally insult members of the US Military. Stay classy conservatives.

    Also, you have evidence that Obama personally directed this unit "Do not train on your war fighting tasks or the Code of Conduct."?

    Most of the classes that exist today, also existed under Bush. Was Bush's Military a PC military?

    Wait, never mind. I know from previous posts of yours that you think the military shouldn't have even been integrated, so anything more than women not being allowed to serve and blacks being in segregated units from whites is "PC social engineering" to you.
     
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    Were you 11b (or equivalent)?

    Do you remember the CoC song in OSUT? Remember how responsibility in structure works from Red Phase?
     
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    No he isn't but thank you for letting us all know not to take anything you say seriously because your comments are just pure partisan hackery.
     
  9. Questerr

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    Are you trying to deflect when I pointed out how illogical your position is?

    When you have less than a dozen troops out of regs, word doesn't even reach Division, if the Brigade commander has anything to say about it.
     
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    If our troops are ordered to take some PC class, another class that use to be taught has to be removed and no longer taught

    Every PC diversity or sensitivity class performed is one day not on the range or in the field training for war.

    A few years ago there was a FA-18 squadron conducting a week long combat training mission. In the middle of the week all of the FA-18's were ordered out of the sky and returned to the air base. While their aircraft were being refueled the pilots were informed that they had to fly back to their home base to attend a mandatory PC sensitivity class.

    That's what has been going on for seven years now under Obama.
     
  11. Questerr

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    What is you source for this claim about the fighter squadron?
     
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    The aviators of that squadron.
     
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    I heard that trump screws chickens so it must be true.
     
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    So unverifiable rumor?
     
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    No, your point is 100% illogical. In fact, it's straight out of the Obama's always right, and everyone else is stupid, playbook.

    The leader is responsible for their people.
     
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    Nope, it's a fact jack.

    Get back to me on January 20th, 2017 and I'll tell you which service and squadron.

    You do know why I can't tell you which squadron it was ?

    When was the last time you been inside an Officers Club ? Today you hear no laughter, no jokes being told, nobody looks very happy during happy hour, officers talk in a whisper in fear someone will drop a dime and they look at each other wondering who's next to be purged from the military for not being PC.

    Todays PC military isn't the military that we had before 2009.
     
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    SECSTATE Kerry thanked the Iranians for letting them go even though by capturing them at gunpoint this violated international law.

    Whether the President is directly responsible for a group of poorly trained sailors, can be argued. However what cannot be argued is the anemic response to this incident. It establishes a precedent that there will be no lasting consequences for violating international law and intimidating the U.S. armed forces. They have proven themselves to be paper tigers, and this is indeed a direct reflection of the current administration.

    Normally I try to avoid kneejerk reactions, but in this specific incident a certain amount of the blame does reside with the administration in terms of the response to the chain of events. It amounted to an apology basically.
     
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    A leader cannot be responsible for something for which they had no knowledge. Obama is doing the responsible thing: he fired the commander of the unit who failed the train his troops and is looking into it more charges are necessary.
     
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    Give me ONE instance where Obama has increased the standards for our military, and not decreased them by forcing gays and women into the service that has reduced moral and combat readiness.
     
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    So you'll give me a squadron number? How is that verifiable proof that the incident occurred?

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    Armed vessels of the US Navy illegally invaded Iranian territorial waters and it was the *Iranians* who violated international law by detaining them?
     
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    Sounds like you no longer have any contact with todays PC military.
     
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    Only under Hussein Obama would this poorly trained unit get captured by Iran. Commander in Chief strikes again.
     
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    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/navy-iran-violated-international-law-detention-u-s-sailors/

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs...y-sailors-was-illegal-under-international-law

    Iran's Navy acted illegally. It's indefensible. What is the U.S. response?

    "Whoops, sorry about that, thanks for letting our sailors go"

    It's anemic. It establishes a precedent that challenging our armed forces has no consequences. We're reduced to being paper tigers.
     
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    The military was PC under Bush. It's been PC by your definition ever since Truman told whites they had to serve with blacks.

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    Armed vessels entering territorial waters does not count as "innocent passage".

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    Jessica Lynch...
     
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    Got captured by people we were at war with. These seamen got nabbed by a nation we are not at war with, but that our President is in bed with.
     

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