US sailors ill-prepared for Iran encounter in Gulf

They illegally invaded the territory of another country.

If Iran built a naval base in Cuba and sent a pair of armed boats to Key West, would you not expect the US Navy to detain them?

And can you blame the commander of the boats for not wanting to start a shooting war, especially in a situation he knew would not end well for his guys?

 

Yes, I do blame that idiot commander and it makes perfect sense that this happened to Iran.

 

An investigation of the incident has been completed, all is left is for a number of the boats crew to either be prosecuted or walk the plank.

Read the freaking report before commenting on something you have little knowledge of.

The sailors violated the Military Code of Conduct and weren't properly trained. They didn't even know what the 5th Fleet ROE were thinking that the ROE were the same as Obama's PC ROE for our troops in Afghanistan.

These sailors didn't defend their boat, didn't fire one shot and surrendered in violation of Article ll of the Military Code of Conduct..

You scuttle a ship before you allow it to be captured.

Read the findings of the investigation, you can find it on this thread. -> http://www.politicalforum.com/warfa...-stand-before-man-violating-code-conduct.html

FYI:
Iran violated international maritime law.

If a Chi-com or Russian warship were to break down off the California coast and drift into U.S. waters we couldn't do a damn thing about it , couldn't even board the ship, we could offer assistance.

Iran's actions were an act of war and Obama's Secretary of State, the self proclaimed Vietnam war hero John Kerry instead thanks Iran for releasing our sailors.

Obama does have a track record for picking some real losers for his Secretary of State.

 

So if you were the commander of those boats you would have ordered your guys to open fire even though you knew this (*)(*)(*)(*) up was your fault and risked getting them all killed and starting a shooting war?

 

So if a Chinese or Russian ship "breaks down" and "drifts" into our waters we have to believe them 100% at their word that that is what happened?

Let me pose the same question to you I did to Army Soldier:

You are the commander of these boats and your (*)(*)(*)(*) up has caused these boats to be off course and in Iranian waters. You have Iranian gun boats which both outnumber and outgun you closing in on your position. Do you surrender or do you order your men to open fire even when your illegally in another country's territory, your men will probably all be killed, you might start a war, and it was your (*)(*)(*)(*)up to begin with?

 

Why do you keep saying I want them to fire? They should have followed O's and left peacefully. Where are you getting all this war (*)(*)(*)(*)? Wow you are so dramatic.

 

Leave peacefully how? They had Iranian gunboats closing in and one of their boats was immobile.

If Iran put a couple gunboats in our territorial waters, would we just let them leave peacefully?

 

Why are you making things up? They were signaled twice before they were forward deployed!!!!!!!

 

I'm surprised they weren't captured by Girl Scout Troop 13 from La Jolla California.

I already knew that the Navy had gone PC under Obama but I didn't know that our sailors today have been trained to be PC snowflake sailors who no longer have the spirit of being warriors.

May explain today why todays sailors in Obama's PC Navy no longer have a sailors swagger, no longer walk like sailors and no longer talk like sailors. In todays Obama's PC Navy, talking like a real sailor will get you kicked out of the Navy.

What was that I just felt ???
Earthquake ?
No it was Admiral Halsey turning over in his grave after finding out that ten snowflake sailors surrendered their boats to Iranian Revolutionary Guards without firing one shot defending the boats.

The big one will be when Halsey learns there's sailors dressing in drag.

 

The timeframe isn't that big. How do they leave peacefully? Abandon a few million dollars in US government property and try to race away in time, which might have been viewed by the Iranians as spies trying to destroy evidence of their actions?

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Defending their boats against a country we aren't at war with while illegally in that country's territory under arms when the reason they were there was US error?

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"I hate the PC Navy" = "Sailors should be able to use racist and sexist slurs and generally act like bigoted (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s!"

 

Iran violated the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War (Article 13).

I quote

Videos of the captured Navy sailors were made and distributed to the media, as such this can be construed as displaying them for propaganda purposes aka public curiosity.

In one of the videos a Navy lieutenant formally apologies and admits it was their error,
Article V of the Code of Conduct - When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

An enlisted perhaps can be excused of any wrongdoing as they are obligated to follow the lawful orders of those appointed over them. However a Naval officer is in command, his men follow his lead, and by making an oral statement of apology, he did violate ethical guidelines established in the code of conduct of the U.S. fighting force.

The military has a top-down culture and ultimately the Commander-in-Chief is the very top. Minimally there should be lessons learned here, because this incident involved a series of smaller mistakes escalating into a big mistake. Enough of the social engineering powerpoint briefings on respecting transgenders, how about instilling the fundamentals first into your officer corps.

This is a direct reflection on our Armed Forces, and it's conduct unbecoming.

 

Same way Israeli jets left Syria two years ago. "Whoops, our bad, peace".

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PC military in general. Obama's wussified it to the fullest extent. Just ask out Russian trolls on this board. They LOVE it. Sad part is, they are right. Obama's done some serious damage.

 

Was one of those jets disabled and on the ground in Syria?

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Are we at war with Iran?

 

No, they both left. That's a different instance. I was at fort H for the instance I'm citing. Someone made a funny GIF of it with the Cosby "whoops" when they turned back

 

Read the 5th Fleet ROE !!! As soon as the Iranian's boats racked their weapons and pointed their weapons at the RCB's, the American gunners on the boats were suppose to open fire.

The ROE are in the final report of the investigation that was conducted.

The report covers everything.

Yes you'll see some black ink of classified information or when Obama's name appears in the report but everything was covered in the report, even why one of the boats broke down with photos if the engine in question.

Did you know that they had to drain all of the oil from the diesel engine before they could repair the engine and then refill the engine with oil ?

FYI:
The main responsibility of any captain of any ship, boat or craft isn't the safety of the crew but the safety of the ship. The safety of the crew is #2 not #1.

 

So again, how should the boats have left Iranian waters peacefully?

 

They were treated like POWs, blindfolded and put at gunpoint. Iran struck down the U.S. flag and replaced with the flag of Iran.

These are all acts of war.

Of course President Obama is going to downplay it. .

 

They were supposed to open fire even though they were illegally in Iranian waters by their own (*)(*)(*)(*) up, they were outgunned and would have been killed, and their actions could have started a shooting war and the deaths of hundreds of thousands?

I guess in your mind, it's cool for any Private in the military to override the authority of Congress and the President and just start wars whenever they feel like it.

 

Turning around. What kind of stupid question is that?

 

They were treated like detainees. Just to be clear, if we detain a group of Mexicans inside Us territory at gun point, we are committing an act of war against Mexico?

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One of the boats wasn't mobile.

 

That's why you have your "onsies"

 

Google search comes up with nothing.

 

That cute little radio signal that mobilizes anything nearby for guidance. You only do it once to avoid contact. Sort of like you have your dustwuns and sevcat (1-5)...

Military has some weird names. Anyway, it's what RA Hartkins suggested on CNN they should have done. But then again, what does those idiots know?

 

Which would have resulted in what? Further US Navy assets invading Iranian territorial waters and a full blown international incident?

 

It just leads to a halt in everything. A "our bad, we need to get that boat that drifted away". If a rear admiral from another unit (not that stupid one) says that's possible, I'm going with him over Obama's favorites.