28th Amendment - Prohibition of Firearms

that makes no sense.

 

You make no sense. Due Process is secured by our federal Constitution.

Natural rights in private property are secured in State Constitutions and available via Due Process.

 

you have admitted on several boards that you have no education in the law and yet we see this stuff. The second amendment protects the rights of private citizens to keep and bear arms. The tenth amendment should prevent all federal gun control actions

 

I have cited the actual law. You seem unable to comprehend it, for your propaganda and rhetoric.

 

you cite it-but the problem is, your interpretation of it is faulty

 

I have cited the actual law. You seem unable to comprehend it, for your propaganda and rhetoric.

You have nothing but fallacy to work with; i know that because you failed to reply to the premise, with a valid argument. ANY fallacy puts the onus on you, not me.

 

I used to teach law. I argued law in front of the second highest court in the country and on brief in front of the US Supreme Court. How about you? You have admitted on several boards you don't have a law license, let alone a law degree. You post stuff that makes no sense that appears to be created by taking a bunch of words, pulling them out of a hat, and creating a sentence that way-a sentence that is not consistent with English as we know it. I don't know if your goal is to substitute actual understanding with a silly stilted version of English or you think by using words in incorrect or novel ways makes your usually specious arguments sound more valid. It doesnt work with me

 

These are natural rights: All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

it includes the right to defense of self and property.

our Second Amendment declares that which is necessary to the security of a free State.

 

the second amendment recognizes and guarantees the right of individual free citizens to be armed

 

Those fruit and nut laws are irrelevant to me, I am not living in California.

The California Constitution does not allow you to defend yourself with any arms, you have two Senators and the right to vote for an Obamanation, other than that it has no power over the Second Amendment of our Constitution or other States that guarantee the right of the people to keep and bear Arms without officers appointed over them.

If your State goes too far with Gun Control you will find out what Due Process means.

 

No, it doesn't. Our Second Article of Amendment declares well regulated militia of the People to be necessary to the security of a free State.

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This is actually in our State Constitution: All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

I am pretty sure such regulations do not apply to persons who obtain a license or permit.

 

see, your first comment to me permanently disqualifies your arguments on the second amendment from being taken seriously by anyone with a background in constitutional law. why do you call it "the second article of Amendment" when the correct term is "the Second Amendment"? do you think using such silly changes in words actually gives weight to a worthless argument?

 

You simply don't have a clue or a Cause. The People are the Militia. Only well regulated militia of the People, are necessary to the security of a free State.

It is not about Individual Liberty of Persons, but of States.

 

that's neither responsive nor correct. Yes, the militia is made up of the people. the right attaches to the people, not merely those in a formed militia


why not use English in the same manner as the rest of the posters on this board?

 

dear, Only the clueless and the Causeless, don't understand it. It is why no longer mind the typing practice, as much.

The People are the militia; you are either well regulated or your are not. It really is that simple, except to the clueless and the Causeless.

 

LOL how stupid can this get? a well regulated militia is one that has been formed and elected officers. that is drawn from the people as a whole. all citizens have the right to keep and bear arms and that is not dependent on militia service

 

Then you would be wrong. Most gun owners are not gun lovers, they are freedom lovers. Defense of self and property are 2 but not the only reasons for the 2nd amendment in which, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" is the most important part of the amendment. The fact that every able bodied person within the age threshold is automatically part of the well regulated unorganized militia (the ones which is ALL OF US.) tells us that government tyranny is the reason for that militia, as well as defense against foreign invaders. But it is not what "the people have the right to keep and bear arms." The organized militias are back up to the standing army and in peace time controlled by the state. Your twisted logic consistently over looks those facts.

 

Why do you believe what you do?

The People are the militia. Only well regulated militia are necessary to the security of a free State, not the unorganized militia.

All Persons have natural rights regardless of militia service; Only well regulated militia may not be Infringed, when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

 

You said, “The People are the Militia,” but the People we are talking about don’t have officers over them according to Article I Section 8, “reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress,” but we still have all rights to bear arms according to the Constitution’s Second Amendment, because it is retarded to only have those who obey orders be the people. Isn’t that right comrade?

I do not have to obey orders of officers, but I am one of the people. Obama is not my commander-n-chief, because I am one of the people. If an officer tells me to drop and give him fifty I will give him the one finger salute and he can’t write me up and send me to Captain’s Mast or Court’s Martial, because I am one of the people. If Obama tells me to clean the toilets, or not go out on the town without dress uniform when a Raygun is having a rally so I can’t go to the rally like during Cotter Pin, because I am one of the people I can tell Obama to go frack himself.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

See, my State is different:

“SECTION 8. Right to bear arms.—
(a) The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.”

We actually have free people in our State, you do not have free people in California, because you have to obey orders being in the Militia, and people who have to obey orders are not free people.

Last time I lived in California the Governor was dating Linda Ronstadt, and Californians were about to have a cow when James G. Watt wanted to limit how many times you could go to Yosemite (where it took me three hours to find a parking spot, because they were loving it to death). Oh, and two jokes I remember from your radio, "who is the president of Zimbabwe?" which still has the same answer, and "California hot tub Rectal Gonorrhea."

 

more idiocy. the right of the people is the right of individual citizens. not the militia

 

Indiana constitution.

Section 32. Arms--Right to bear

Section 32. The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.

 

You are missing the point; natural rights are individual rights. Our Second Amendment is about what is necessary to the security of a free State.

 

y'all just need to assert that in Court more often, and have a Good excuse.

 

the second amendment like most of the other amendments in the bill of rights was intended to incorporate and recognize a natural right

 

the second secures a natural, State's right.