Where would you guess that homosexuals live?

I think the better question is, Where do morons live?

I think many live in online forums where the most asinine questions are often posed!

 

Then I take it you're not in the USA, which cannot honestly be described as a "progressive" nation.

It doesn't affect anyone, until it does. Until then, they've no reason to care. <- This is what you're telling us, right?

Well, some people do thankfully care about the lives of others even if they're not directly, immediately affected. Yet you seem to be advocating against that.

I'm not about telling parents what they have to do with regard to raising their children. My concern is the affect it has on society when they do a poor job of it. "I don't have to think about this unless/until I'm directly affected" is a head in the sand approach to raising a child. I don't disagree that there are other, more pressing concerns. But my heart breaks for teens who discover their difference in orientation and are saddled with parents who are indifferent and therefore unprepared to deal with it, at best - because it will affect their kid, and not in a positive way. For a teen who realizes they're gay, that is a pressing issue.

 

And again there is a reason for the each of the programs.

You discount the issue of teenage suicide.

I don't.

My daughter's schools have not taught only tolerance towards LGBT students- they have addressed various groups that tend to be bullied.

I happen to think that bullying- and its even more wicked cousin- outright assault- are issues that should be tackled by schools- identifying the populations most likely to be bullied is one of the ways.

And anyone who has been through public schools know that kids identified as LGBT are targeted. BUT- at my daughters current school they are not. Not all bullying has been eliminated but the very programs you seem to discount has been a positive force in reducing bullying overall and eliminating it when it comes to certain targeted groups.

 

Now to this paragraph of yours. We live in San Francisco- doesn't get much more 'gay friendly' than our city. Yes- there are 'compulsory' curriculum on tolerance- including regarding kids who identify as LGBT.

The curriculum regarding LGBT is not 'overtly sexual' or 'age inappropriate'. There is 'sex ed" at various age levels as kids go through school and that is in my opinion- 'age appropriate'. More general info early on, more specific info later on. Some of the content of course is 'contentious'- sex ed is ALWAYS contentious because there are always parents who think that kids shouldn't be taught anything about sex other than not to have sex.

But in our school system, kids do learn about sex- how pregnancies happen, sexually transmitted diseases- and how to prevent pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. And yes- some of that content will include discussions of LGBT- because they can get STD's too.

'huge class action suits'? Who is being injured?
"Child Welfare organizations"? I don't know of any right wing Evangelical organization that would be called that- and they are the only likely organizations to attempt such a suit.

So identify how our children are being 'damaged' by this curriculum? Because for a law suit to work- someone has to be experiencing harm.

 

My heart breaks for kids who discover they're being called by god to missionary work, and whose liberal left wing parents never factored that possibility into family dialogue. That's kind of what you're saying here. Heck, even something with more potential negative outcomes does not necessarily equate to any utility in assumptive induction. What you're suggesting is that something highly unlikely, must be addressed as though it's likely. The upshot is that any sensible parent will adapt to new information as and when needed. It's part and parcel of good parenting. We do not have to run around like maniacs preparing kids for every remote possibility.

Once again, indifference is not the same as antipathy. It's a practical approach only. There are just far more important and far more likely issues kids and parents need to deal with, and these will always supersede peripheral interpersonal unlikelies. Kids raised in a climate of kindness to all, will be kind to all themselves. They don't have to know anything about the issues facing the subjects of their kindness in order to be kind to them. I just now had a lesbian couple here for coffee, and two of my kids joined us. That's ALL they need to learn to be inclusive and tolerant people. They did not need me suggesting to them at age 4 or age 8 or whatever, that they ought to factor in the possibility of their own gayness or gender uncertainty, in order to be 'gay-blind'.

 

Bullying sucks and should be addressed. BULLYING, not the subjects of bullying. Public emphasis should be on the aggressors.

Bullies don't care who they bully. They are almost always non-specific in victim selection, all they require is perceived soft target. One day it might be the fat kid, the next the gay kid, the day after that the autistic kid.

The high school my kids attend/ed has an implemented compulsory LGBT program, and the gay kids are still bullied by those few who are committed to bullying. Just as the fat kids are still bullied, and the nerds, etc etc. It hasn't made much difference. Keeping in mind this is a public high school in a liberal area of a liberal country. There is less bullying than at other schools for sure, but it still exists.

 

The relatively new high school program in this country is fairly extreme. There is growing movement (setting up foundations and associations etc) which intends to start legal proceedings against those schools who've implemented it. And they are NOT religious groups. They are not even necessarily conservatives. Anyway, these groups are collecting a growing list of professionals who're prepared to speak up about the content.

EG: Year 7 (11 - 13 year olds) are shown classified ads ostensibly from people looking for certain sexual partners and activities, and asked what the acronyms might mean, and to then write their own ad. They're asked to role play being the opposite gender, and being same-sex attracted. They're given information on how to breast bind, and how to use a strap-on. They're given dildos, and told how to masturbate effectively. These are just SOME of the content items under question. It gets much worse.

This is the sexualisation of minors. 11 year olds, heck even 13 year olds, should not be exposed to these things. There is a time and a place for that (later teens and adulthood). Teachers who teach these things are now running a very real risk of being reported to Child Welfare organisations, and said organisations will have to act on them if all legalities are considered. And they will be, as some very expensive wigs are going to be involved. In countries where this most extreme form of LGBT program is running, the poop is ever closer to hitting the fan.

 

Interestingly, my child attends a high school with strong anti-bullying and positive LGBT messaging- and while there is still bullying- there is- according to her- no bullying kids for being LGBT.

None.

Keeping in mind this is a public high school in a liberal area of the United States.

Yes- it can work.

 

Why are you so coy about naming this 'liberal' country?

I am really curious as to what public schools are handing out dildos to any kids- let alone 11 year olds.

And you claim this is happening in other countries too? Which ones?

I live in San Francisco- one of the most liberal and gay friendly cities in the United States. My child has gone through public schools and that just is not happening here.

Where is this supposedly happening?

 

I also would like to know, the poster is not being forthright or truthful, forensic analysis of speech patterns reveal information at odds with the posters claims.

 

OP, interesting Had no idea there were so many homosexuals.

 

Pot calling kettle I see.

 

Pot calling kettle, pot calling kettle, kettle is on the boil, I repeat, kettle is on the boil, over !

 

Various European nations.

This lack of knowledge about what is actually going on is disturbing. We, as parents, MUST know what our kids are being taught. It's our own fault if we fail to read course material, and are later blindsided by any fallout.

 

So do mine. The bullies are STILL bullies, regardless. They still bully fat kids, and autistic kids, and effeminate boys. Again, there are fewer bullies than in an ordinary comprehensive high schools (because it's an 'academic' school), but they haven't been magically cured by rainbow classes.

 

Why are you contributing to the lack of knowledge by not telling us which countries are supplying dildoes to 11 year olds as you have mentioned?

See- I do pay attention to content in our schools- and this is not happening here.

I like specifics- what you are providing are specific claims- but vague- and impossible to substantiate- because you do no say where these issues are supposedly happening.

Why?

 

Fewer bullies is better than more bullies.

At least in my world.

Again- as I pointed out- in my child's school no one is being bullied for appearing gay or 'effeminate'- and same for autistic kids. Yes fat kids still get bullied- but less than they were when I was a child.

Dealing with bullying is better than not dealing with bullying.

 

Crank has not been honest or truthful about anything, that is why HE will not say what mythical Country he is from, he is trying to get a rise out of people by playing all sorts of tricks.

 

Being "called" to missionary work is in no way comparable to having a same-sex orientation.

Like I said, head in the sand approach.

Your attempts to teach them a generalized kindness are competing with other influences that tell them some people aren't deserving of it.

Clearly there's no point in further discussion, though.

 

Agreed. We need to address the bullies. The primary focus should be on those doing the deeds - because they truly don't care who or what their victims are. If current targets are 'protected' via the humanising effects of special programs, the bullies will simply move their target elsewhere. It's like running around trying to patch holes in a bucket with gaffer tape, instead of fixing the bucket itself.

 

Strange topic, as they live everywhere. They own homes, they live in homeless shelters, they live in prisons, they live in a military complex. Asking were someone that is a homosexual lives, is like asking were do people live.

 

Why not punish the bully ? if they beat someone badly it is an assault just like any other assault, problem is some people are secretly wanting to pat the Bully on the head for assaulting a Gay boy, so the reticent attitude towards punishment of harassment and other vile behaviors in schools.

There is that Agenda again, unless it is your Ox ( cattle) getting gored, why bother ? If you have never been beaten and call a Feg, or bashed for Gay, why would you care ?

 

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The last I heard, they are living in houses or apartments.

 

Or cages if the Anti Gay people have their way and fond wishes come true, as in Planet of the Apes.

 

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Meh. The political religious right, mostly southern Protestants (Evangelical - Baptist), are a dying breed. Expect their swan song soon.