M. P. Sean Fraser, proposed anti-feticide bill.

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by DennisTate, Jul 15, 2016.

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At what number of weeks should a foetus be protected?

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  5. The foetus should NOT be protected at all.

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  1. DennisTate

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    Dennis Tate
    July 15, 2016

    Member of Parliament Sean Fraser
    Central - Nova, Nova Scotia, Canada.

    Dear Mr. Minister Fraser:

    As you know I decided to leave Canada's Liberal Party in
    December of 2015 after being a member since 2009.

    While P. M. Stephen Harper was National Leader of Canada's
    Conservative Party it did not seem right to join the Conservatives
    due to P. M. Harper's refusal to allow Conservative M. P's to
    even discuss the issue of abortion.

    Once P. M. Harper resigned, the situation was changed, and I joined
    the Conservatives in January of 2016.

    I will soon be campaigning for the office of Municipal Councillor in one of the
    areas in the St. Mary's District in Guysborough County. I will be focusing on
    encouraging people to save their pennies because a one cent coin from 1940
    or earlier could well be worth one dollar, when viewed as a prop, in the proposed
    semi-reality science fiction film series that I am putting in front of people.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...nce-unified-theory-modern-world-problems.html

    CanSo Dollars... could finance a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems?!

    ......
    Mr. Fraser, I made the following statements on several Facebook forums today:

    ....
     
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    Mr. Fraser, when I met you at the Central - Nova Liberal Party nomination meeting I
    immediately got the impression that you would try your very best to work with all
    other political parties on issues that many residents of Central - Nova care about.

    As you know, a high percentage of the nearly sixty percent of residents of Central - Nova
    who voted for you would tend to believe that when a foetus, reaches the stage of development,
    where they could survive many types of abortion, that foetus should have some legal protection
    from being given an injection of potassium chloride directly into their heart so that the hospital,
    and the mother, do not face the ethical dilemma of what to do with a baby that survives
    the abortion.

    Sean, even though my very Conservative wife put a lot of pressure on me to cast my ballot for
    your rival Conservative candidate Mr. Fred Delorey, I just couldn't because I had already gotten
    the impression that you would become something of an ambassador between your Liberal Party
    with all other major Canadian political parties.

    The fact that you had done volunteer work in South Africa is a detail that in my opinion, makes you
    an exceptionally good representative for our area.
     
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    Mr. Fraser, I have the impression that Mr. Peter Mackay is one of the only
    potential political rivals who could defeat you in the next federal election.

    I also feel that if you Sir...... were to table "A ban on intra-cardiac potassium chloride injections on singletons" then it would be clear to all of us that you are a "Blue Liberal" and it might be possible for some of us active Conservatives to convince Mr. Peter Mackay to contest a riding somewhat closer to Ottawa, so that he would be able to be home with his wife and family more regularly than if he were to go against you in the next Central - Nova federal election.

    Thank you for considering this option Sir.

    All the best.

    Dennis Tate
     
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    Why are you talking to yourself?
     
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    Dennis does this. He'll post 2-3 comments to his own OP before ANYbody else has responded.

    He'll also resurrect his OPs from weeks, months, even years ago by bumping them.


    Oh and he does a "Like" on your post when you point his egotism out. :)
     
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    BTW, I had a NDE where the High Angel Felonious told me that Sean Fraser is a shaved Sasquatch who was brought here by the Greys from Zeta-II Reticuli who built the Pyramids and shot JFK.



    (More seriously, Canada's abortion laws won't be changed. There's no national mood to change them anymore than there is in the US)
     
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    I'm going to be proposing a 3-strikes-you're out sterilization bill.
     
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    That's because you fear or hate women, Joakim.

    But thanks for more proof of that.
     
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    We have elected a seriously cool M. P. in our area of Canada who in my
    opinion is perfect for playing a role in some pretty serious ethical issues
    confronting all Canadians.

    In Canada, unborn children have the same level of legal protection that they have
    in North Korea or China, zero!

    http://www.seanfrasermp.ca

    M. P. Sean Fraser will read this..... and he will begin to think about his own response to this
    option. He is a truly impressive human being who has done volunteerism in South Africa.
    as well as legal work at the Hague as well as in a legal practice in Alberta.

    I watched a documentary film yesterday evening that dealt with the theme
    in this article.

    http://www.theestablishment.co/2016/05/05/battling-barriers-to-abortion-access-in-atlantic-canada/
    Inside The Battle To Improve Abortion Access In Atlantic Canada

    ..........

    The film hit me kind of hard in a way because I had to think that one of the
    reasons why so many young women in Canada feel that they must have
    an abortion is partly because the foster parent and adoptive parent system
    here in Canada is not as good as it really should be.

    Frankly, on a personal note, I feel significant guilt because my wife and I
    have wondered if we should register to serve as foster parents but we have
    always decided against doing so and one of the reasons for this is because
    I personally am guilty of allowing my wife to bear more than her fair share of
    household chores.

    Maria Jose knows that if we were to take in a foster child.... she would end up
    doing so much extra work around the house that she would be exhausted so.....
    although we are in a pretty good position to help out in that way.... we haven't....
    and that is largely my fault!
     
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    True...... I kind of enjoy the conflict.... .and yes.... I actually do rather enjoy your criticisms
    of my less than perfect behaviour.

    One of the reasons why I hit "like" even on criticisms, is that it is a good way for me
    to keep track of replies that I have already read, vs ones that I haven't read yet.

    On the other hand, the poll here could turn out to be kind of important. From the film that I saw
    yesterday it seems obvious that access to an abortion, here in Atlantic Canada, is not quite as free
    and easy as it is in larger cities.

    Opinion varies on this. But one of the factors that was not dealt with in the documentary is that
    it is already difficult to get physicians to move to Atlantic Canada. Many physicians don't want to
    be pressured into performing abortions........especially in the third trimester, so one of the reasons why some provinces
    may have been somewhat behind the city of Moncton, N. B. in providing this service could have, to some degree,
    fitted in with the value system of the physicians who are already here.

    Gorn Captain...... .imagine that you are a physician........
    would you feel some guilt if you were confronted with a case
    where a young woman wanted YOU to abort her foetus for her......
    at 21 weeks of development?
     
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    So you want more children in the system but already have your excuse for not fostering or adopting....but you think what?

    That that is other people's responsibility and not yours?

    Or as long as you have the pleasure of forcing women to give birth your concern is over ?

    This part is hilarious, you say :

    """ Maria Jose knows that if we were to take in a foster child.... she would end up
    doing so much extra work around the house that she would be exhausted so.....
    although we are in a pretty good position to help out in that way.... we haven't....
    and that is largely my fault! """



    ....and you contend NO OTHER WOMAN faces that with the birth of a child???

    Some women face that AND having to work at an outside job AND a husband who doesn't think he's responsible for taking care of a home.....

    But you want to force this on THEM......
     
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    When I can see how a problem is partly my own fault......
    then I can do something about that problem... because I can
    change myself..... but I cannot change other people.

    Yes......... my own lethargy at doing household chores is a HUGE PART
    of why my wife and I have not taken in a foster child....... or adopted......
    and I am hoping that by admitting this..........

    I might just assist other dads to see how our bad habits......
    our self-centredness........
    set in motion a series of events where young women feel so
    discouraged and hopeless....... .that they feel pressured into having
    an abortion.

    I do love the nation that I live in.... I have been in a third world nation for
    a year and a half..... and my nation Canada is rather utopian, (in spite of our
    seriously rough winters)....... in comparison to other nations where the climate
    is far far far better........ but....... if we Canadians can see how our own
    selfishness is messing up life for others....... Canada can become even more
    utopian.

    Former Atheist, near death experiencer Howard Storm:
    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04
     
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    So the world will wait while you straighten out all those lethargic men??What!!!???

    Now answer the questions and address the post of mine you quoted ....be as brave as a woman in poverty, barely getting minimum wage , facing a pregnancy...TRY


    So you want more children in the system but already have your excuse for not fostering or adopting....but you think what?

    That that is other people's responsibility and not yours?

    Or as long as you have the pleasure of forcing women to give birth your concern is over ?

    This part is hilarious, you say :

    """ Maria Jose knows that if we were to take in a foster child.... she would end up
    doing so much extra work around the house that she would be exhausted so.....
    although we are in a pretty good position to help out in that way.... we haven't....
    and that is largely my fault! """



    ....and you contend NO OTHER WOMAN faces that with the birth of a child???

    Some women face that AND having to work at an outside job AND a husband who doesn't think he's responsible for taking care of a home.....

    But you want to force this on THEM......
     
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    Each and every one of us has the power, and the responsibility to make some changes......

    In another discussion I admitted that since 2007 I personally have came to a place where
    I can better understand why so many Canadians Members of Parliament are officially
    "pro-choice."

    It is possible that many firm advocates of pro-choice in my area of the world.... may well agree with me
    in my assertion that part of the problem is the way we are doing economics?!

    Pro-choice advocates may well become a major ally of mine at least on this part of the
    whole formula.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...m-p-peter-mackay-my-apology-my-ignorance.html
    My 2007 anti-abortion e-mail to my M. P. Peter MacKay and my apology for my ignorance
    Back in 2007, when I wrote the following e-mail to my M. P., I just did not understand how powerful a case can be presented for the pro-choice position.

    MP Peter Mackay. Did you become pro-Choice based on misleading statistics?

    ..........

    I am hopeful that M. P. Sean Fraser will be both surprised......
    and rather inspired.... .when he reads, very possibly for the first time,

    about a serious flaw in Canadian Central Banking policy..... that also plays
    a huge role in why so many Canadian women feel so helpless and pressured into having abortions.

    I quoted three economists on this back in 2008....

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.blogspot.ca/

    You would be astonished how many of our political leaders do not understand the tremendous benefits of historical Canadian monetary policy.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/appenB.htm

    We can encourage our federal and provincial level officials to re-enact wise monetary policy such as Prime Minister Mackenzie King did in 1940 by organizing a local film production cooperatives or company. Due to our proximity to the ocean we should all be highly motivated to produce films and effectively use the media to educate individuals and politicians all across Canada through YouTube.com. Time is limited if we hope to stimulate our economy, save our elementary school and prevent the loss of our roads and homes to the threat of rising ocean levels.
     
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    OK, so you AREN'T as brave as a woman facing an unwanted pregnancy and canNOT address the questions in this post.



    You obviously just use other posters post to hop on your soapbox and CONVENIENTLY ignore those INconvenient questions.

    Care to try again or hide behind "someday the economy will be perfect in a La-La land of my making someday somewhere ...""":

    Quote Originally Posted by FoxHastings View Post

    So the world will wait while you straighten out all those lethargic men??What!!!???

    Now answer the questions and address the post of mine you quoted ....be as brave as a woman in poverty, barely getting minimum wage , facing a pregnancy...TRY


    So you want more children in the system but already have your excuse for not fostering or adopting....but you think what?

    That that is other people's responsibility and not yours?

    Or as long as you have the pleasure of forcing women to give birth your concern is over ?

    This part is hilarious, you say :

    """ Maria Jose knows that if we were to take in a foster child.... she would end up
    doing so much extra work around the house that she would be exhausted so.....
    although we are in a pretty good position to help out in that way.... we haven't....
    and that is largely my fault! """



    ....and you contend NO OTHER WOMAN faces that with the birth of a child???

    Some women face that AND having to work at an outside job AND a husband who doesn't think he's responsible for taking care of a home.....

    But you want to force this on THEM......
     
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    A. No matter what the economic conditions of a country are there will ALWAYS be poor people, people who cannot afford a kid.


    B. You want a woman to undergo 9 months of pregnancy, suffer the pain and damage it does to her body both temporarily and permanently, suffer financial loss(doctor and hospital bills) , possible job loss, suffer setbacks in her education and/or career (which are financial losses) , just to give someone else a kid.

    BUT YOU admit YOU are too lazy to help clean your own house! You said your wife had too much work to do to raise a kid!!!
    Are you and your wife really that unique? NO. See, other people have those problems, too!:eekeyes: No, really, other women have unsupportive husbands and some women have to do everything themselves because they don't have a husband...

    C. You think more kids in the system will be cheaper?!! Will help the economy?! HOW?
    Are YOU going to create millions of more jobs for them?

    Are you personally going to pay for them while they wait for you and your wife to have the time to take care of one???


    Yes. I know you'll ignore this post because the questions are so INconvenient....and you'll just post more irrelevant crap about how the economy will be fixed overnight and we'll all live in a Utopia.......and what's amazing is, you keep repeating it as if that will make it be true !!
     
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    Speaking of psychotic behaviour.........
    an interesting film was done a few years ago that
    presented a powerful case that large corporations......

    and I suppose to a significant degree....
    political parties.... their organizational behaviour over a period of time....

    tends to resemble that of a psychopath!


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(film)
    .....
    ......
    I saw another documentary a few days ago that is also indirectly related to the
    pressure that is put on young women that causes them to feel that abortion is
    their best option.

    I saw a film about the disappearance of bees.

    Now that I am a member of Canada's Conservative Party, I feel responsible to use the
    general pro-life sentiment that so many Conservatives espouse, to inspire us to take a

    different approach toward how we view the environment.

    Canada's Conservative Party as well as America's G. O. P. have been far too close.....
    too chummy with massive global companies like Monsanto.
     
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    Canada's Conservative Party and movement are facing many serious questions.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ford-to-give-impression-that-theyre-exclusive
    ‘We have to be an inclusive party’: Peter MacKay says Tories have to appeal to the masses

    .....
    .....
    I don't want to be guilty of putting words in his mouth but this interview does indeed give me
    hope that if Mr. Peter Mackay will enter the race for leadership of Canada's Conservatives he will

    be interested in looking at reformation of our economic policy so that Canadians would feel
    a higher level of optimism..... .which should decrease the tendency to feel that an abortion is
    the best option.

    Yes Fox..... I am hopeful that some massive changes are about to be made in my country.

    That is one of the reason why I spend so much time online that I don't feel so enthusiastic about
    household chores.

    Here is a way that I believe that Conservatives could make a shift that could lead to women
    being given AN EXPANSION OF THEIR RANGE OF CHOICE!

    I give the specific problem of homelessness here.... .but a bit of thought and many ways could be cooked up
    to use this basic idea to improve circumstances for single moms. For example........ a Benny Hinn Volunteerism Hour......
    could assist in financing a number of church day care facilities that could be free of charge for low income families????!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ations-should-print-their-own-currencies.html
    Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.
    www.CalgaryDollars.ca/
    is a good example of how several dozen socially active residents of an area can begin what amounts to a second tier to the economy.

    The Ithaca Hour is an excellent example of a similar concept being applied in the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours
    Most North American churches have a desire to assist the poor and the oppressed. Well….. in 2014 efforts by a group of socially active Christians could easily transform dozens of homeless people into actors….. who are playing the role of homeless people….. and the specific efforts to help them could becomes scenes in a series of documentary and reality films designed to give the homeless people a job that finances their getting an apartment or at least a group home.

    Most of us are unaware of the Worgl, Austria local currency experiment that was conducted during the Great Depression and how successfully it was copied in hundreds of communities in the USA. As a matter of fact…… it looks like what these communities accomplished played a significant role in inspiring the USA government to alter the monetary system in many positive ways.

    http://www.whatcomwatch.org/php/WW_open.php?id=717

    City in Austria Printed Local Currency

     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/464229-its-obvious-abortion-wrong.html
    It's obvious Abortion is wrong
    Thank you for this post JoakimFlorence!

    This helps to illustrate the seriousness of the five choices in the poll that I gave here.

    Obviously, the age of the foetus makes this horror story all the more understandable!
     
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    :roflol: I KNEW you couldn't HONESTLY IN YOUR OWN WORDS ADDRESS MY POST....

    A. No matter what the economic conditions of a country are there will ALWAYS be poor people, people who cannot afford a kid.


    B. You want a woman to undergo 9 months of pregnancy, suffer the pain and damage it does to her body both temporarily and permanently, suffer financial loss(doctor and hospital bills) , possible job loss, suffer setbacks in her education and/or career (which are financial losses) , just to give someone else a kid.

    BUT YOU admit YOU are too lazy to help clean your own house! You said your wife had too much work to do to raise a kid!!!
    Are you and your wife really that unique? NO. See, other people have those problems, too! No, really, other women have unsupportive husbands and some women have to do everything themselves because they don't have a husband...

    C. You think more kids in the system will be cheaper?!! Will help the economy?! HOW?
    Are YOU going to create millions of more jobs for them?

    Are you personally going to pay for them while they wait for you and your wife to have the time to take care of one???


    Yes. I know you'll ignore this post because the questions are so INconvenient....and you'll just post more irrelevant crap about how the economy will be fixed overnight and we'll all live in a Utopia.......and what's amazing is, you keep repeating it as if that will make it be true !!""""
     
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    Actually..... .I have some friends who are working on something specific that I feel might just work........

    They are discussing creating a legal micro-nation and printing up a micro - nation
    currency, (A Kanata Volunteerism Hour has a nice ring to it).

    Then they perhaps use this proposed "Kanata Volunteerism Hour" to initiate an artistic "Cyrus" style peace treaty with
    the nations of Israel and Jordan........ that is meant to give the pro-life and the pro-Israel movement

    a PROP that they can work with in semi-reality science fiction, documentary and reality film projects.

    I am hopeful that Latter Day Saints in Utah......and in Nova Scotia, may become fans and supporters of what we set up, (G-d willing)?!

    This will help you to understand why I, (an active member of Canada's Conservative Party), would
    be rather polite to the local Liberal M. P. Mr. Sean Fraser.

    I need help from high places to pull this off?!?!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=349935&highlight=Utah+State+Dollar
    Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?
    Have you seen any of the following films:

    1. The Future of Food
    2. Food Inc
    3. The World According to Monsanto.

    If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.


    "George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/geo...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582


    Back in 1994 I found out that President Lincoln had saved American taxpayers four billion dollars in interest payments and since that time I have been wondering what alternative was available to improve monetary policy that would not scare the investors on Wall Street.

    A Utah State Dollar could perhaps be the answer!????!!!
     
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    I can cut and paste,too....

    I KNEW you couldn't HONESTLY IN YOUR OWN WORDS ADDRESS MY POST....

    A. No matter what the economic conditions of a country are there will ALWAYS be poor people, people who cannot afford a kid.


    B. You want a woman to undergo 9 months of pregnancy, suffer the pain and damage it does to her body both temporarily and permanently, suffer financial loss(doctor and hospital bills) , possible job loss, suffer setbacks in her education and/or career (which are financial losses) , just to give someone else a kid.

    BUT YOU admit YOU are too lazy to help clean your own house! You said your wife had too much work to do to raise a kid!!!
    Are you and your wife really that unique? NO. See, other people have those problems, too! No, really, other women have unsupportive husbands and some women have to do everything themselves because they don't have a husband...

    C. You think more kids in the system will be cheaper?!! Will help the economy?! HOW?
    Are YOU going to create millions of more jobs for them?

    Are you personally going to pay for them while they wait for you and your wife to have the time to take care of one???


    Yes. I know you'll ignore this post because the questions are so INconvenient....and you'll just post more irrelevant crap about how the economy will be fixed overnight and we'll all live in a Utopia.......and what's amazing is, you keep repeating it as if that will make it be true !!""""
     
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    I admit that I may be naive but I believe that a combination of provincial currency units...... as well as local currencies........
    or even church currencies..... could well dramatically reduce the levels of poverty in both Canada and the USA.

    The people in the city of Worgl Austria, and in those one thousand communities across the USA during the Great Depression were
    quite poor... .but their areas experienced a dramatic improvement in economic activity.

    Ten USA States are discussing minting State coins.... and are also encouraging local governments to print up local currencies.


    My belief at this time from what I have read is that the suffering she experiences during normal pregnancy is
    FAR LESS than the depression she will probably face after an abortion.



    I also neglect yard work in order to write more.....
    on these topics because I do feel that what I write can begin a switch in attitude.....

    and an increase in hope that we do have options.


    I believe in an off the scale energetic Intelligence that planned and choreographed
    a nearly infinite number of Big Bang events over eternity in the past.... .who has the power to
    bless Canada and America if we will make a few positive steps in the right direction.

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

    I am working on putting a concept in front of thousands of people that could begin where I live.....

    but it could expand all over Canada and the USA:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...nce-unified-theory-modern-world-problems.html
    CanSo Dollars... could finance a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems?!

    ....(The situation faced by expecting single moms in 1939 was quite different.....
    and dealing with such cases artistically..... may be one of the best ways to actually get something
    specific accomplished.)


    President Lincoln's Greenback monetary policy experiment and FDR's "New Deal"
    did have a positive effect on millions of lives........... with amazing rapidity.
     
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    Which is how it should be and how it will stay.
     

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