5 reasons why this society got to go: Part 1 – Our society is beyond repair

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  1. mseder

    mseder New Member

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    Have you had a vague feeling that the world doesn´t work the way it should; that our everyday lives are becoming unreal and slowly taking on a less substantial quality? It is a feeling that countless people share. The problem is that there seems to be a lack of words and ways in how to express it.

    Imagine society as a patient suffering from a disease or actually several diseases. What about those who have the official power and responsibility for the patient; the establishment? Do they contribute to any kind of recovery? Nope!

    Politicians, capitalism and media propose many solutions to this global misery pandemic. But still no recovery, rather the contrary, more and more people are suffering from psychological illness. The gap between rich and poor keep growing, and more people than ever feel abandoned by the society. One may then ask if the treatments are meant to heal the patient or if they're meant to keep the patient in status quo, securing the establishments' status as the only healers and experts in power.

    So we need a major change, another kind of society that prioritizes collaboration instead of competition, transparency before strategies, trust instead of fear, participation before obedience and blind acceptance. It's time to listen to the patient, to see the patient, to be the patient as the patient is the many.

    The establishment always requires your respect. You're expected to dress up, choose your vocabulary, don't get too private, keep your distance when dealing with rich people, politicians, authorities etc. Still, they don't necessarily respect you. Who is serving who?

    Brexit revealed how tight the establishment is. The whole western world of politicians, media, capitalists, etc. spoke with one voice of contempt after the referendum. Where did the democratic tradition go, why weren't we served that nice plate of mixed political conclusions and analyzes, self-criticism and a variety of intelligent media opinions that we could expect, having a democratic tradition? Instead, 52% of the UK voters were handled with contempt.

    When politicians, newspaper editors and economical experts work as ONE it's reflected by people as they will reject the establishment as ONE regardless of political color and history. It's action and REaction.

    But when people start to react to the society with negative emotions and with a general distrust, rather than participating in the existing debate controlled by the establishment, they enter the “danger zone” - they starts being regarded as... populists!

    You may ask yourself: "Populist? Well, no thanks, I'm not a populist and I certainly don't believe in Donald Trump, Marie Le Pen and those cold-hearted, emotionally abusing screamers. Are you among them that support such people, Mats?".

    And NO, I'm certainly not.

    My point is, this kind of spontaneous associations with this kind of populists is what has been established. That's what the official debates have told us. If you have a general distrust in society, you're automatically associated with this "trash-quality" of opinions. And as you've been labeled a populist there is no need to include you in the social debate. Don't buy this. It's just another example of power strategies. What's happening is that those that criticize the system fall into the trap and turn on each other.

    The truth is, a vast majority of people are not extremists, they care for other people but are exhausted by the labor-consumption-wheel. Still people's brains are not completely disconnected. They only wish that the society could be less fearful, less condemning, more democratic, more empathic etc. Of course they care for the environment, of course they wish that more people could live a decent life, if it's carried out in just manner and not controlled by the few.

    The problem is: this kind of person is more or less invisible. People who care for others but at the same time are critical to how the western society is ran are not being taken seriously, at least not in the public world.

    And so they have no voice, and so there is nothing for them to vote for. But still they're out there, I know that, in thousands and millions.

    This is the first reason why this society got to go.

    Mats Sederholm
    Author and debater
     
  2. antibarner

    antibarner New Member

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    And what pray tell would you replace this society with? And more importantly who gets to decide that question? No system is perfect, but IMO what we have is not bad. We just have to clean out the corruption and for that we need true statesmen, not politicians.
     
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    This "vague feeling" is what Fox has drummed into people's heads for almost 20 years now.

    And conservatives have always claimed that liberals react based on their feelings.

    This is proof that the opposite is true.

    Turn off your *******ned TVs and you won't "feel" so bad.
     
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    It will be replaced with more of the same, only worse.
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    It is called cognitive dissonance.

    It is what happens when you are told "Islam is a religion of peace" while at the same time Islamic terrorists are gunning people down.

    It is what happens when you are told you must consider a man to be a woman if he tells you he is a woman.

    It is what happens when you are told the carnage in our cities is the fault of the police.

    Lesh is correct to blame Fox News which exposes the fantasies of the left and so increases the cognitive dissonance.
     
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    thintheherd New Member

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    OP assumes that the human condition is nothing but a construct.

    Society is an amalgamation of its members, each being individuals with unique self interests- a universal truth.

    OP struggles with the game of life and so wishes to change the rules.

    Bereft of solutions, it follows that this can only be accomplished, en-mass, by force, which is historically rejected by those who demand to remain free.

    OP fails.
     
  7. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

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    I agree. There has always been a struggle to improve things. Mankind has came pretty far and has been fortunate. Let's all be happy we are not living thru an ice age or famine.
     
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    Stevew Well-Known Member

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    Nawww, it' the easiest most likely answer, Hillary wants to be president! It's her turn an nobody is stopping her now, certainly not another man! LOL

    Steve
     

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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Adding almost $10 trillion to the debt in less than 8 full years shows clearly they aren't thinking with their heads.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speaking strictly parochially, this society (US) is in the middle of yet another "sea change." They happen with remarkable regularity.

    2010's LGBT rights finally coming into their own;
    1990s end of the "cold war;"
    1960's Civil rights for Black Americans;
    1930's the creation of the social compact between the Government and the people. also know as the "New Deal;"
    1910's the Labor movement comes into its own;
    1880's death of "reconstruction" and the birth of "Jim Crow;" and
    1860's end of slavery.

    and at every turn people called "conservatives" argued passionately against changes that ultimately made this country a better place.

    Look at what "conservatives" are arguing most passionately for or against and put your money on the other horse. It is the sure, long term, winning play.
     
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    richf710965 New Member

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    A good way to start solving problems is to discuss facts instead of meaningless and syrupy platitudes which appeal to individuals' emotions.

    Just saying.
     
  12. heresiarch

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    You are basically arguing against the very nature of human beings. Or at least most of them. I'd say at least 90% of the people would rather keep their position of power, than giving ppl what they need but losing their power. You know why i don't trust much politicians and doctors? Because most of them are not so much interested in the well being of people, as much as their personal careers and income.
     

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