Sad Days To Be A Trump Supporter

Demographics is destiny.

In 2000, the White Vote was 81% of the electorate on election night. In 2004, it was 77%. In 2008, it was 74% (some exit polls also interpreted it as closer to 75%). In 2012, it was 72%. In 12 years, the White Vote shrunk from 81% to 72%, a 9% shrinkage in terms of the overall electorate and an 11.1% shrinking only within that rubrik.

If anyone doubts that information, it is all here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...exit-polling-main-statistics-1976-2012-a.html


In 2016, the White Vote is very likely to be 70%. In 2020, likely 68%. In 2024, likely 66%. Very conceivably, by 2040, only 50% of the US-electorate will be white. That is the demographics of our nation, plain and simple.

This means that a party that deliberately demonizes and marginalizes minorities, especially the minority that represents the fastest growing voter block in the USA, namely, Latinos, is relegating itself to become a regional party instead of a national party.

Enter Donald Trump, who in his candidacy-announcement-address, went out of his way to call Mexicans (read that as: Latinos) "rapists, murderers and drug dealers". And it has gone downhill ever since then. Then there was the controversy with the Jewish Star of David used in association with Clinton and bundles of money. Then there was Trump saying that all Muslims should be banned from immigrating to the USA - and the weird feud with gold-star parents who are Muslim, and the lie about the 400 million dollars flown into Iran, and still calling Obama a Kenyan Muslim.... and comments about women like Megyn Kelly's "whatever" and horrible comments about John McCain not being a war hero... and the support for Trump from the ugly White supremacist world that is so brazen, it's not even being cloaked. It's just friggin unreal.

So, to me it is no surprise in the world that minorities of all stripes are turning away from Trump and will not be changing their minds.

So, the goals that Reince Priebus set out in his so-called "autopsy" of the 2012 election - those goals are not going to be met.

Surely there are a great number of fellow black, latino, asian and other US-citizens who are more conservative in many of their ideas, but who in the hell wants to be part of a party that hates them and makes no bones about it.

The Republican Party is now getting exactly what it deserves.

 

You and the few other Democrats who incessantly troll and spam the forum with worthless and baiting redundant new threads such as this one have gone a long way to trash the forum and reduce interest -the same as most people would not want to be in a room with screaming little children throwing a tantrum. I do not recall you posting any message that was original or had any value whatsoever on any actual political topic and overall just indicate exorbitantly anti-social behavior and personality in message wording and choice.

Trump is well positioned at this stage in the election and in polling. New thread topics show why. Of the last 100 new threads on the election board, only one was pro-Hillary Clinton. The election singularly has become "stop Trump," to Democrats recognizing that no one - including themselves - likes Hillary Clinton and a majority of people believe she has no principles, is a pathological liar and should be in prison over the emails.

Trump is just fine in the polls at this point and better than should be expected by past elections.

Trump is well ahead of where both H Bush and R Reagan were at in polls at this point in the election. The press and media always engages is a total love fest of the Democratic candidate and a pure fear-mongering hate campaign against the Republican candidate. It takes a while for people to recognize the media and press are just corporate propaganda outlets marketing hate and fear for their corporations and the super rich elites that own them to divert from any actual issues having to do with government, which they control.

H Bush and R Reagan beat Dukakis and Carter by landslides, with polling at this point far worse than Trump.

 

Like poll out of PA.

That has Clinton winning the suburbs of Philly 60-20.

An area Obama carried 55-45 vs Romney. (That comprise 20% of the PA vote)

 

Yeah, knew you wouldn't even attempt to substantiate the falsehoods in the OP because you can't. Post some more Paul Simon videos.

 

It's sad times for those that want responsible government.

Under Hillary, the government will be as bloated as her cankles.

 

Maybe it should......

I have to agree, the Democratic Platform has had the most extensive programs for years, but to what end, should really bother you. The cost, say in just the past 30 years for general welfare programs, has been over 16T$, adding another 10T$ spent in the past 8 years, likely resulting in trillion dollar service charge for decades to come. This not mentioning the future unfunded obligations, which are currently well over a hundred TRILLION DOLLARS and rising by million per second.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Trump can't fix it in four or eight years or anyone person, and even the Republican Establishment Party, seemingly doesn't care, voting to authorize annual shortfalls. Electing Clinton, however you define her perfect life, simply shortens the time, the 330 Million Americans, will be in the same situation Venezuela is today. However when Trump does win the elections and he will, he will offer solutions, different than Ms. Clinton's, prolong the problem and just maybe some one can continue to turn the tide for the people, but we're talking decades.

 

Actually, by July, Reagan was ahead by 3% in the average of polls in 1980.
I don't know how much that means this year, but there you have it.

I think the most important number will be that of those "against" either candidate than "for" either candidate this year.

 

Their speech styles are very different. Hillary tip toes with everything she says so not to offend anyone on the left. She is also pathological liar so she has to be careful that she doesn't contradict what she has said in the past. Trump on the other hand says the first outrageous thing that comes to mind. He is obviously not a career politician. He is an (arguably) successful businessman that cuts to the chase.
I am not excited about either candidate like many Americans and will be staying home. It is an interesting election and the debates will be entertaining. A vote for Hillary is a vote for the status quo. A vote for Trump is more of a protest vote against career politicians. Will Donald make a big shake up in Washington? Who knows? I think he is as much a liar and con artist as Hillary. That being said, I think Hillary is practically guaranteed to win.

 

Tonight in Green Bay is a big test for Trump. He has Mike Pence with him but all of the top Wisconsin Republican figures will not attend - which speaks volumes. If he continues with the blustering buffoonery tonight I don't see anyway for him to win - there aren't enough gullible disciples who buy his crap to carry him over the finish line ahead of Ms. Clinton.

 

Thank you so much for your positive contribution to the discussion.

And by the way, any Trump supporter citing Dukakis's lead over Bush in 1988 is misinformed and delusional.

That lead was Dukakis's peak BEFORE the GOP convention. Bush then went on to erase Dukakis's bump.

Bush was tied or had a slight lead after BOTH conventions had concluded.

At this point, BOTH conventions have concluded, and Clinton's lead is massive.

Anybody bringing comparisons to Dukakis '88 is misinformed.

 

Completely wrong. Bush beating Kerry had nothing to do with "ground game". The best ground game in the world can't help you if the tide is against you because people think you're an elitist government entitled leftist windsurfer who married the Heinz Ketchup heiress. Bush won because enough people thought they would like to have a beer with him. Kerry lost because not enough did. It had nothing to do with anything else.

 

Yes she will. I keep telling all my conservative friends there's not much to worry about with Hillary.

 

Were they all former members or was there an uptick in new members? I just ask because of this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

 

The problem is that Trump himself had no principles, and the Trump supporters were duped by him. He's not who you think he is. We could have had a principled conservative as nominee, but instead we get a loud-mouthed ignorant reality show host.

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It is a huge frustration as someone who 2 years ago couldn't imagine a worse choice than Hillary. Well, my own party chose a worse choice than Hillary, and crapped on conservatives in the process.

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But we can't.

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Sadly, we had two prominent conservative Hispanics in the race, either of which had a chance against Hillary. The really ironic thing is that in November 2012, Trump denounced Romney for being too rough on Hispanics with the talk of self-deportation.

 

We don't want no "principled conservative". Sorry. The overwhelming majority of the country, including registered republicans don't share your views and convictions and a principled conservative is simply not electable in any circumstances.. Jeb, Kasich, Rubio would have small chance to get elected, given the democratic demographic and electoral college advantage. Cruz would have absolutely no chance against anyone. Sorry again.

Trump is a different case though, his message was good, populist and it hit the nerve. Too bad the messenger turned out to be flawed. If he pivoted to the GE after conventions and cleaned up his act, he'd be an overwhelming favorite in November. Cruz never would have come close.

 

You've been saying from the beginning he was going to lose miserably. I personally think you are right. However, I never underestimate the power of self inflicted, willful ignorance and gullible populations. For references, look at the power of religion and the damage and influence it carries from large populations. Look at the reign of influence that came from Adolf Hitler.

 

Yet another premature postmortem of the Trump bid for president. IMO it is unwise to underestimate ones opponent. All it will take to turn things around for Trump is another Clinton controversy. We all know that Clinton is a liar, and I doubt that all her lies have been exposed. All it will take is a whopper of a lie to be exposed to turn the whole election upon its head.

 

I as well. That really throws me a loop right there.

 

The level of dislike for Trump is unparalleled. There's no recovering from this. He's maxed out at 39-42%. Understanding demographics, one can be confident in the result of this election. Comrade Trump and his buddy Putin would have to steal some information that put Hillary in jail for them to win.

 

Uhm, no, I am not "thrilled" about anything. It may 'sound' like something to you, but I don't care what you hear. The smear attempt, however, is duly noted. I pointed to cold, hard statistics. Take em or leave em, I don't care. If you lack the understanding for such stuff, well then, so is life. But for the attempted smear, which of course failed, you now go permanently on ignore. Bye-bye.

 

Ryan would have gotten slaughtered. Democrats should have run Biden and Warren. Many people actually like Joe Biden.

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No one likes Hillary Clinton and members of this forum don't start threads FOR her. A majority of voters believe she should be in federal prison.

 

Bear in mind, the controversies were manufactured. That is why they never went any where. For references we can go back to Whitewater, Solyndra, Fast & Furious, IRS, Benghazi, e-mailgate, and nothing happened. What's so funny about the Clinton controversies is the fact that Ken Starr, Trey Gowdy, and Comey were all Republicans who had to concede there was nothing there to prosecute her over.

So, by now everyone gets the picture. If there is some hope of bringing Clinton down, it will have to come in the form of manufactured scandal.

 

Perhaps when Wilkileaks releases the next batch of emails, and as Assange has told us, will contain the evidence to indict Clinton, this will reverse things? Of course it will not change the mind of the Clinton sycophants, for she could be discovered to kill and eat infants, cackling as she did it, on video, and it would not change a sycophant's mind. But there are GOP voters and independent voters who might still like honesty and integrity enough to choose trump, who has never held public office and therefore never lied as a public servant, or conducted criminal activities as a public servant.

So, let us not get too arrogant, until after the next leaks present the evidence that Clinton is nothing more than a common criminal, except instead of have one victim, she has 300 odd million americans who are the victims. And make trump look like an innocent child in comparison.

It will be fun to watch her supporters defend her criminality here when Assange releases the next batch. And it will be fun to watch MSM try first not to cover it, and then to spin like a top to help her out. But a criminal is a criminal, perhaps to the non sychophants. And then there is trump who one can vote for, in order to keep Clinton from ever holding the oval office.

 

Will not need any such manufactured scandal. So make sure you come back after assange releases the next batch of hacked emails that he says, and I trust him, will contain the evidence for crimes which would get anyone indicted, if not for Obama's AG refusing to do it. This should be the evidence needed for the independents to desert her, and for her to get her arse handed to her...another anointing gone horrible wrong.

We will all watch for you responses to these leaks and the evidence of criminality. Although her supporters cannot change their minds. No matter what she did. But the rest of America can, and perhaps will.

 

They did that in 2012 with Obama and that didn't work out so well either.