Which political party is more racist?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by TheFixer, Aug 11, 2016.

  1. bclark

    bclark Well-Known Member

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    Before I present a counter argument, let me first compliment you on your political discourse. Often times, these are 'emotional' topics which lead people to 'completely friggin lose it' if the facts don't go their way. I would want to compliment you on your demeanor. You are always respectful, and while we sometimes may disagree, your answers are always thoughtful, and more importantly thought provoking.

    With regards to your remarks on pessimism of human nature, I would want to quote the founding fathers views on humanity, to draw you in to the dark side...
    http://americanvision.org/1136/founders-understood-about-human-nature/
     
  2. Politica Magus

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    “I’ll have those n***ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years”
    - LBJ (Democrat)

    "Attached is a script for a new video we’d like to use to mop up some more taco bowl engagement, and demonstrate the Trump actually isn’t trying."
    - DNC email about Latino voters

    Any quote by Margaret Sanger
     
  3. Johnny-C

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    Yes indeed!!
     
  4. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1. Many of the things the left accuses the right of being racist for are not... Capitalism, cutting government as a percentage of GDP, cops, etc.

    2. Many of the things the left takes as gospel in fact enshrine class privilege in law: affirmative action, gender quotas, etc.

    3. Nevertheless, the right has most of the virulent, nefarious racists. Your KKK types.

    4. The left has a smaller, but equally nefarious racist voice in black supremacists. Ali, Public Enemy, etc.
     
  5. Pred

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    Most Democrats believe in AA and since AA is racist by its definition, most of the Democrat party is racist. If you want to follow your logic😄. Not to mention they support BLM which is notoriously racist. They support the Black Caucus which is racist by its existence, a segregated govt organization. They support scholarships that are only available to black people. How racist can you get there? They're of course far more concerned with controlling diversity instead of treating people as individuals and judging them based on individual merits.




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  6. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    In point of fact first and foremost you must determine why they're voting the way they are. Are they actually voting against you or are the voting for the opposition because the opposition has a better plan. If the opposition has a better plan then why would you be opposed to it. If they're voting against you then what are you doing wrong that drives them away?

    There is a philosophically valid point that establishes you don't learn anything from those that agree with you. You learn from those that are critical of you.

    As a Libertarian we want the support of the American People and that includes everyone of every race, religion, ethnic background, gender, etc. and to accomplish that our political ideology must treat them all the same, as people without any invidious division. We need to address any and all historical problems that have oppressed them and understand that oppression has an effect over many generations.

    For example as a Libertarian I'm concerned about the following problem.

    I've read from economists that it requires 15 generations for significant wealth disparity to naturally return to a parity level if all things are equal. We know that African-Americans had virtually no wealth when slavery ended when compared to whites. The whites had almost all of the land and all of the money at the end of the Civil War. Based upon the 15 generation criteria there wouldn't be economic equality between blacks and whites until roughly the year 2,300 AD assuming racial prejudice and oppression of blacks ended after the Civil War. We also know that today the median household wealth of blacks is about $11,000 while the median household wealth of whites is about $144,000. Yes, it is true that part of this huge disparity is because of the continuous economic oppression of blacks that is still going on due to anti-black racial prejudice but let's look at a more important picture. Even if we could end the racial oppression this instant is it fair to the African-Americans to have wait until the year 2,300 AD before they finally reach economic equality with whites in America? We've creating generational oppression that would continue to exist for hundreds years even if we fix the racial oppression this instant. So how do we end that oppression within our generation as opposed to shoving that oppression out for hundreds of more years?

    Many don't think we should be responsible for the violation of the rights of black going back to the slave era but the fact is that the violation of their rights is continuing today and we are responsible for that. The damage done, and it's effects upon the Rights of the Person, was generational and each generation is responsible for allowing it to continue.

    So, as a Libertarian, how do we address the continuous violation of the Rights of the children of former slaves when their was no redress when slavery ended? We cannot ignore that their rights continue to be violated.

    If, as a political party, the Libertarian Party recognized the problem and began to make proposals to address it we would have a flood of blacks racing to the door to sign-up as Libertarians. All we have to do is to address one of our core principles which is the protections of the Rights of the Person and we instantly appeal to the black community that has long suffered a violation of it's rights. The Democrats aren't addressing this problem and Republicans don't give a damn about the rights of African-Americans at all so it's a slam-dunk on which party blacks would join if we actually addressed the generational violations of the economic rights of blacks in America.
     
  7. Bobbybobby99

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    I don't support Affirmative Action, but all of those examples are positive discrimination, not negative discrimination, and, while still not a good thing, that doesn't really fall under the connotations of the word racism, which generally brings to mind negative discrimination. Once again, most Republicans aren't racists, but most racists are Republicans; for instance, who is being supporting by white supremacist organizations this election? Most Republicans aren't white supremacists, but most white supremacists are voting Republican. If you really want to argue about positive discrimination, well, you only have to look at which nominee is a white protestant male.
     
  8. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    This is false and based upon uninformed Republican propaganda.

    Affirmative Action guidelines establish that the hiring and advancement practices of "government contracted" companies must be race neutral. There are no quotas involved and the company is still to select the most qualified candidate for the position. Additionally, based upon the guidelines, the company is to employ recruiting practices that reach out to under-represented groups to eventually establish parity, For example if blacks are under-represented in the company then it would be a advisable for the company to advertise job openings in the black communities. That is not racist in any way shape or form and the best applicant is still to fill the job opening regardless of race.

    What the Republicans object to is the fact that the company will advertise job openings in the black community which increases the competition for the job for the whites. The whites don't want to have to compete with the blacks for the same job opening and that's what annoys Republicans.

    Yes, we know there are anecdotal cases that can be cited as exceptions to the above but all those cases represent is the failure of the company to follow the actual affirmative action guidelines. We can also note that some states have Affirmative Action programs that are not based upon the federal guidelines and those have to be evaluated on a case by case basis.

    What can be stated without any question is that the Federal AA guidelines are NOT racist because those guidelines prohibit any form of racial preference or criteria in the actual employment practices of the enterprise. Representation of race is not achieved by discrimination in the employment practices but instead by expanding recruitment to include all races.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    That has been a politically correct statement but it has fallen into question since at least 2008 and statistically became worse in 2012 based upon studies of anti-black racial prejudice. It 2008 71% of self-identified Republicans expressed explicit anti-black racial prejudice and by 2012 that figure had increased to 79% of Republican. Racial prejudice always results in racial discrimination and racial discrimination in racism.

    Today, an accurate expression would be. "Not all Republicans are racists but the vast majority of Republicans are racists."

    It doesn't sound as good because it's based on fact as opposed to political correctness but what the hell. Republicans are always complaining about political correctness anyway so they shouldn't whine about this statement because it's based upon actual studies.
     
  10. Politica Magus

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    Source? Number polled? Survey questions? Demographics?
     

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