If Blacks are less intelligent what should we do?

I used to be a musician. In fact right after I got out of high school that's what I did for a living, full time. There was a time when I would practice piano eight hours a day and even more sometimes. I took it very seriously. That was especially true after I heard some old recordings of John Coltrane. I became very fascinated with harmony, especially quartal harmony. Explored that in depth. At some point I was fascinated with the work of Maurice Ravel and his harmonic ideas and use of scales. So what I have described, I have done from experience.

There is no doubt that playing music is a cognitive task my friend. It's just that it is a very complicated high level cognitive task that is composed of quite a few cognitive sub-tasks that musicians have learned over the years. It is somewhat similar to speech. Fine speech flows and is a cognitive task. However, it is the product of many cognitive sub-tasks that the speaker has learned throughout his lifetime. Just as fine speech flows, so does music. It appears to flow because the performer does not revisit in all of the detail all of the cognitive sub-tasks that they have learned. But at one time, they actually had to take their time and engage in mastering those cognitive sub-tasks in detail. Even world class musicians spend months learning very difficult pieces. They may spend many days engaging in the cognitive task of learning a very difficult passage before it becomes something that they can perform at will. Then when they perform, they engage in the cognitive task of assembling all of those cognitive sub-tasks together, that can now be performed at will, to create a performance. Although it may appear on a superficial level to be magic, it is nothing more than what I described. It is not like they sit down at the piano like a zombie that is possessed of some demon who takes over their body and starts to magically play. No, rather they sit and engage in the cognitive task of bringing forth all of the cognitive tasks that they have previously learned to create a wonderful performance.

The evacuation of feces from the body is not an act of creation. However the creation of the body and the actually creation of feces by the body is most certainly a subset of knowledge. The creation of feces is beautiful in the ultimate sense because it glorifies the magnificence of the Supreme Lord under whose supervision a body composed of material elements can self sustain itself, partly by the creation and evacuation of feces, without his direct attention. Furthermore feces can be an object of knowledge and in fact, scientist and medical practitioners study it to gain insight into various problems.

That said, here is a piece by Maurice Ravel that I used to be rather fascinated with. Ravel was a genius.

[video=youtube;v-QmwrhO3ec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-QmwrhO3ec[/video]

 

Precisely, it has ceased being cognitive and has become something else, aesthetic, affective. [/quote]
But at one time, they actually had to take their time and engage in mastering those cognitive sub-tasks in detail. Even world class musicians spend months learning very difficult pieces. They may spend many days engaging in the cognitive task of learning a very difficult passage before it becomes something that they can perform at will. [/quote] i.e. something they no longer have to think about.

But neither do they sit at the piano like a robot, preprogrammed to press the right keys in the right order. I don't believe that making music is something that is learned by rote. To the extent it is, it is mechanical, and sounds dead to our ears.

And you would have us believe he created that music through rote learning, that if you could program a computer with all the rote learning Ravel had undergone, it would compose Ravel's music.

True genius, in any field, is not cognitive, it is intuitive. Ramanujan didn't discover his marvelous theorems by thinking. They were, if you credit his report, literally inspired, shown to him by a Hindu Goddess.

And neither did Ravel create his music through thinking despite the fact that learning musical notation is a cognitive task.

But if you continue to insist that music is a cognitive task, let me point out that, on average, musicians have a higher IQ than non-musicians.

[video=youtube;v-QmwrhO3ec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-QmwrhO3ec[/video][/QUOTE

 

That seems to be a contradiction in terms.



​

 

What should liberals do about this? Who the F&*k are these "conservatives" that you think, think this way? I'm conservative, I don't think this way, and nobody that I know who is conservative does. You're just a race baiting scumbag!

 

People who insist that Blacks are intellectually inferior have a racist agenda for doing so. Whether they support separation, sterilization or genocide against Black people they believe in this sort of thing because they want to believe it. They want to believe it because it is the best justification for their racism.

 

I agree, this guy is off the charts Racist.

 

You are becoming confused. What I am saying is that there are different levels of organization that go into the performance of music. Again, think of it as in the example of the word 'subtract.' There are the individual letters, then above that are the syllables, and then above that is the whole word itself. When a person who has learned to read encounters the word 'subtract' in a sentence he is not engaged in the cognitive task of processing the word at the letter level or the syllable level, but rather at the word level. Similarly in a complicated piece, there are various passages, some with varying levels of difficulty. But the performer has to be aware of that. and although he is not processing a particular passage at the note by note level, he is nonetheless engaged in the cognitive task making sure it is played correctly, in proper time, with proper phrasing and dynamics so that the performance is properly created.

I did not say that they were robot like. Rather I am saying the opposite. When a sentient being plays music, it is a cognitive task. A cognitive task requires a sentient being that is cognizant.

You have created something out of thin air and grasping at straws. I never said or implied any such thing.

It is absurd to say that there is no thinking or cognizance involved in intuition. Intuition requires a cognizant being that is aware of the idea that is being conveyed by the intuitive thought. That is a cognitive task. Remember the definition of cognition that you put forward

 

Sounds like your musician must be thinking about the individual notes in order to accomplish these things. How loud should this note be to realize the right dynamics, how long is it held to realize the proper phrasing.

Sounds like making music is quite a chore for you.

How can it be a cognitive task if a non-cognitive robot can do as well?

Precisely. Intuition is not thought, experience or sensory. Once the intuition is received, it is processed cognitively. When Namagiri revealed to Ramanujan the modular functions that weren't proven correct until 100 years later, it was not a cognitive process.

 

You simply don't understand. If it is a very slow delicate passage, the musician will definitely be aware of all of those things. If it is a passage that contains many notes played in rapid succession the person will not think of each individual note.

It is a chore to do well. Here's a piece that I used to play back in my jazz pianist days. Its not the most difficult piece I have learned but its not easy either. To play it well and you have to concentrate and focus. Of course the more you do it, the easier it becomes. But still.

[video=youtube;KOFs40ekTV0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOFs40ekTV0[/video]

You introduced robot into it not me.

No, that is not correct. There is no intuition without a cognitive person engaging in the cognitive task of processing the idea that is conveyed by the intuitive thought.

 

It is a scientific fact that blacks are less intelligent than whites. And the only thing that can remedy the situation is to allow the two groups to live separately. As was the norm for most of human history.

America's education system is failing because standards have been lowered to accommodate black students. Often the black children mature more rapidly and can appear to be precocious learners in the early years. But by age 10-15 they reach their cognitive plateau and are no longer able to concentrate or behave as well as the white children.

One huge reason that America has such a low minimum wage is because this is where black workers are concentrated. And the jobs are designed for black workers. To offer higher wages businesses must be able to retain workers who take initiative and are reliable. And too many black workers don't fit this model. So businesses prefer offering low wages and coping with the high turnover.

This is why America has outsourced many factories that required very basic manufacturing skills and attention to detail. These businesses could not deal with the influx of black workers when diversity and affirmative action became mandatory. The new economy is tailored for black workers who represent the lowest common denominator. Producing sloppily assembled hamburgers, moving pallets around in big box stores, answering phones in call centers.

This economic malaise where many service industries are trapped in a cycle of low wages and high turnover has had such a demoralizing effect on white workers that many have simply dropped out of the labor force altogether and are being replaced by immigrants from Latin America. To be clear the Mexicans are not taking jobs that Americans didn't want to do. Mexicans are taking jobs that had been abandoned by Americans who could no longer tolerate "diversity" and "affirmative action" that discriminate against white people, particularly those already at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.

This is the stone cold truth about diversity and equality. That everything has been lowered to the lowest common denominator. And why we're getting our asses kicked economically by everywhere but Africa.

 

The factual data does support that notion, therefor many of us are just concerned with those facts.

 

I for one think Black musical ability is over stated.

Jimi Hendrix is not the king of guitar, nor is Bob Marley the king of Reggae.

Here's a Polish American guitarist who's much better than Jimi Hendrix.

[video=youtube;8moxDI-80S4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8moxDI-80S4[/video]

Here's a Polish Reggae which is much better than Bob Marley.

[video=youtube;wPajQFTILpM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPajQFTILpM[/video]

 

Yo John, that notion of blacks and whites being separate sounds cool idealistically, but in practical terms that toothpaste is out of the tube. That's one thing. The other thing is that it was whites who came to Africa and decided to enslave blacks. Before they did that blacks were in Africa and whites were in Europe. Therefore because of what white people did, we all have to bear the consequences.

 

Actually it was Jews who controlled the trans-Atlantic slave trade. But we're getting off topic.

America is big enough that people can live apart.

 

Jews played a role in the Atlantic Slave Trade, sure.

But, Portuguese played the biggest role.

Portuguese, and Jews are more Mediterranean than Northern European anyways.

 

So you say but I think it would be dishonest to not admit that you have a sinister agenda for wanting to believe what you do. What is your point? What is the end game? Why do you insist on arguing that certain races are intellectually inferior? Why are you so fixated on this? Saying that you believe it because you think it's true and that's it is just not credible. You have a reason and the reason is because you are racist. We can argue about the data as much as we want and I will insist that there are alternative explanations but the reason you insist that your belief is correct is because you are motivated by racist ideology.

 

Yo bro, the thing is this, I have hung out with quite a few musicians. In fact I have even lived with them on the road. I HAVE NEVER HEARD ONE GOOD MUSICIAN SAY THAT GOOD MUSIC WAS CONFINED TO WHITE OR BLACK PEOPLE. Rather musicians don't give a damn were it comes from as long as its good. Musicians, at least the real ones, are just not uptight in that regard. That said with regards to Jimi Hendrix, he is stylistically different from your guy. Now your guy is very good at what he does and I enjoyed listening to it. Its amazing. But he doesn't play like Jimi Hendrix. The genius of Hendrix mainly lies in his style of rhythm guitar. While others have come after him and emulated what he did in that regard, there was no one in his day that did it quite that well, and few today that can do it quite that well. You guy doesn't play rhythm like that. Neither does Jimi Hendrix play lead lines like that. But to demonstrate good music ain't no white or black thing, here's an asian chick that I like. Damn this ho is crazy!!!

[video=youtube;z-z6n0gm918]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-z6n0gm918[/video]

 

There were more than just Jews engaged in the business of trading African slaves, although they did most certainly partake. That's one point. The next point is that there is no practical way to divey up things such that the two groups can live apart. Its just not going to happen. Like I said, this was white folks idea and we all have to live with that stank ****. That's the way it is.

 

One could say anti-racism has a sinister agenda too, which is to replace people's heritage by the means of multiculturalism.

No, other way around, I'm racist because of the data, not for any other reason.

I don't see any reason why Blacks always lag behind in IQ, behind Whites, and East Asians of a similar income level.

The reason is obviously because of genetics at play.

I think you're way more biased than me, you don't even admit to low MAO levels linked to criminality, merely because it doesn't suit your agenda, when many studies prove low MAO levels is indeed linked to higher incidences of criminality.

 

Well that would be a lie. Egalitarianism or anti-racism is not about replacing anyone's heritage it's about treating people fairly. And the reason most people are racist is not because of IQ differences or crime statistics because racism predates that type of data. The reason is because racists are insecure and looking for someone to look down on and feel better than. Now as for the actual facts it has been well established at this point that your views are based on pseudoscience which is why they are not accepted by academia. Your excuse for this is to claim a liberal conspiracy to suppress this research which is not credible. I have already posted evidence that when controlling for Socioeconomic variables including family and neighborhood quality the Black-White IQ disappears which means it is caused by environment not genetics. Scientists who have studied low MAO-A levels have demonstrated that they are not linked to criminality. You are simply misinterpreting data to suit your racist agenda which makes you biased.

 

Oh please, so many anti-racists scream "That's Racist" if people object to multiculturalism replacing their heritage.

I personally think that's sinister.

Oh really? That's all racists do is look for someone to put down?

Well, I for one wish Blacks were intellectually equal, but the data says otherwise.

As for this supposed Black - White IQ equally?

WTF?

How come Ukraine which is poor by global standards, are outscoring Black Americans who are rich by global standards?

Sorry, but this is merely a fantasy that Blacks will score equal IQ scores.

I don't deny that IQ is influenced by environment, but it's clear to people with high intellects, and, or unbiased agendas, that there's a huge IQ gap even when you account for income differences.

The low MAO levels linked to criminality has been studied, over, and over again, and the same conclusion has been reached, that this gene is linked to criminality in higher rates, you clearly don't like the data so you disregard it.

 

utter bull(*)(*)(*)(*)....you got proof for this

( a single picture of a bill of sale from a single owner with a Jewish name does not make proof that Jews controlled the salve trade)

 

That's funny. The good guys are the real bad guys right?

[video=youtube;llLKar19XhA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLKar19XhA[/video]

As an Egalitarian I don't care if a society is Multicultural or Monocultural I only care about people being treated fairly.

Yep. Racists are basically bullies.

I very much doubt that.

What did I tell you about comparing a demographic group within a country to a whole country? That's just not a logical comparison.

No, actually this is a fact based on data from a real study that when controlling for Socioeconomic variables including family and neighborhood quality that gap is virtually eliminated.

As much as you like to talk about data and statistics you only look at data that fits your theory and ignore the data that contradicts it. So as much as you like to harp about the Black-White IQ gap you don't like to address the research that shows that it is caused by environment with no genetic component because that doesn't support your racist ideology.

So explain the data I just posted that shows when environmental measures are controlled for the gap is eliminated. In my experience people with supposedly high intellects support Scientific Racism with mental gymnastics and delude themselves in to thinking they are unbiased. People with sinister agendas are generally not unbiased.

This claim has been addressed and refuted. Surely you have seen this link by now.


A guide to the science and pseudoscience of A Troublesome Inheritance, part II: Has natural selection favored violent behavior in some human populations?

 

If that is indeed the case, I will no longer regret my not having mastered a musical instrument. I always assumed that the competent musician who performed the Ode to Joy felt that joy much more profoundly than I do when I sing it. When I sing it, it just flows out. Of course the musician will inculcate joy in his listeners whereas I tend to irritate my audience. I guess that is some compensation for all the drudgery he undergoes to produce it.

Sure, but the inspiration itself is non-cognitive. Not that Ramanujan did much processing of the idea beyond writing it down. He was dying at the time.

 

As I outlined here anti-racism seems to be a sign of psychopathy.

http://www.politicalforum.com/race-relations/459969-anti-racism-symptom-psychopathy.html

There's no reason why Ukraine should score a higher IQ than African Americans, when Ukraine is much poorer than African Americans.

Well, some Animals are more violent, than others.

How come?

So, how can they say that natural selection doesn't impact violence?