Why do law abiding citizens have a problem with gun control?

I don't see where I made any decision over anyone. All I've been doing is trying to see what all the people here think. Asking what they need and want and why.

And it has been informative in a way, and interesting in a way, that's for sure.

Thank you for your time anyway.

Edit: Out of curiosity, I looked at your profile, and I see you work in "hospitality management". Now that's funny.

 

What you might want to do is ask the gangbangers what they need and want and how they just love gun control. You're only getting one side of the story, especially since it is them and your fellow libs/Dems who commit most of the crimes.

 

I'm going to repeat it a third time for you:

With respect to SSRIs, as with any drug known to have side effects which include suicidal and homicidal thoughts, they should be the last thing considered in the treatment of patients. Additionally, before a person can get government assistance for many disorders, they must take SSRIs (as in the case I cited earlier.) We've got to reverse course and make our society less drug dependent. It will save lives.

On the other count, YES, I do liken the Muslims to the Nazis and KKK. ALL of them are willing to use violence in order to achieve a political objective. Just as all Muslims are not violent, NOT all KKK and Nazis are violent - nor do they espouse violent acts. But, of those that do, they receive their financial backing and their moral support from those that do not act on what's in their hearts. That's true of all the aforementioned groups.

If you will notice, you're letting a little hypocrisy slip out here. My objective is to reduce the number of deaths; you are willing to tolerate deaths provided it allows us to maintain the liberal status quo - a drug happy America and forced amalgamation of people that have proven unable to coexist without killing each other. It told you. When it comes to gun control - it's all about control, not reducing the number of firearm related deaths.

 

When television / media describes firearms, often, the terms used are inaccurate, the calibers used in these firearms are not "high powered" at all, 9mm .45 acp even .357 and .44 Magnum is common handgun ammo, 5.56 NATO, 30-06 .308 are common hunting cartridges, the 7.62x39 used in the AK -47 is close to 30-30 to the ancient Lever action cartridge in performance, these rounds in a semiautomatic rifle, and can be used for hunting, pose no danger as alleged by the media advocating a ban on firearms merely because of their appearance.

 

I can live with the current background checks. I don't particularly think they do anything practically, but I can live with them as a compromise.

The main thing I approve is the harsh punishment of people using guns as part of their crimes.

 

I fully support any gun control law that does two things:
- Prevents criminals (etc) from getting guns
- Does not infringe upon the rights of the law abiding.
Have any suggestions?

 

And before that I was 20 years in the marine corps what's your point on my profession? And I don't do small time operations. For example I was in charge of food service operations for super bowl 48. And your post is not as innocent as you are making it out to be. Your contempt for gun ownership is clear in your other post. You may be able to pull wool over some people's eyes but I see right through your brand of bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I don't understand how you don't understand "shall not be infringed".

 

That was my response.
It remains unaddressed.

 

That is where some of us differ in the pro-gun community.

As I see it, the Bill of Rights was passed as one bill. Add to that, it was passed to guarantee unalienable Rights, limit the government, and preserve Liberty. If we can require background checks in order to exercise one guaranteed Right, then the law could be applied to any Right. Want to become a Christian? Get a background check and approval from the government. Want to publish a book? Get a background check in order to make sure you aren't racist, homophobic, or pro-gun.

The Boston Tea Party didn't happen over the size of the tax; it happened because of the principle of the whole thing.

Background checks are just a way of saying you cannot be presumed innocent until proven guilty. It's a way of saying you have no Right to privacy. The worst part is that you nor I have the authority to forfeit, bargain away or compromise our unalienable Rights away in a de jure / lawful constitutional Republic.

 

I saw a previous post where it was mentioned that in Texas, if you had a defaulted student loan, you could be denied CCW, now what in Heck do Student loans have to do with concealed carry ???

 

Fair enough.

But the question was about battling the government. It was put forth to me that the reason for the 2nd amendment was to protect against a tyrannical government, so I asked what sort of weapons people would use to do that.

No one has answered yet.

 

Okay, well there's all sorts of things that can be done to "reduce deaths". But you're saying to reduce gun deaths, make SSRIs the last thing considered, I guess through some sort of law? And as far as Muslims, the KKK and Nazis...not sure what you want to do about them. Throw them out of the country? Watch them closer?

I guess since I'm the only one interested in what you're putting forth, I will assume everyone else here agrees with you that this is the best way, or a good way, to reduce gun deaths and violence.

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I do not. You?

 

I get it.

Zero restrictions on any weapons for anyone and everyone.

 

The Pulse night club shooter passed two background checks and received a carry permit for his job.

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I didn't say that, but I would rather have that then be made to feel like a criminal for exercising my 2A rights.

 

So anyone should be able to buy or receive any sort of weapon, anytime, anywhere, from anyone?

 

The perp that breaks into your home could be armed with an AR-15. Do you really want to be armed with anything less? Why should the government restrict my legal right to be adequately armed?

 

So if not zero restrictions, than what?

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Apparently, they should not.

So you and everyone should be able to buy or possess any weapon at any time from anyone, no questions asked.

 

No felonies, 16 for long guns, 18 for handguns.

 

Yes...Because criminals can get those arms anytime, anywhere from anyone regardless of legality. All you are doing by restricting these weapons by taking them out of the hands of the law-abiding and making them vulnerable. (see my other post)

 

Well....Yes because felons who use guns to commit a crime would most likely be KILLED by the law abiding citizen holding a powerful weapon. Stats show that there are enough guns RIGHT NOW (those that can be traced) to arm every person in America and there is no stat supporting the notion that law abiding citizens are shooting each other in any meaningful numbers. What we DO see happening however, is slaughtering going on in so called 'gun free' zones. In other words, the prohibition of guns for law abiding citizens, leaving them vulnerable to one perp with a semi-auto who can open-up on a crowd of innocent, unarmed souls.

 

Ok, let us calmly discuss this, Mexico is a perfect example of gun control, they have the strictest gun control anywhere, No Military calibers, no high powered anything, no rifles, for Civilians, no concealed carry, only firearms in the home, and those calibers allowed ? .22 LR, .25 acp, .380 acp, and that is it !

So, Mexico is pretty safe right ? NO !!!! Every Drug Cartel Criminal has Military weapons, Machine guns, RPGs, Helicopter gun ships to deliver Cocaine,
Also, the corrupt Mexican Government sponsors the Cartels for the money they pay in bribes, the Mexican Police, Mexican Military, the Mexican Courts are all confabulated with the Drug cartels, and commit Mass Murder of anyone that denounces any part of the corrupt Empire.

And just what guarantees this Drug Empire will stay in power ??? Gun control of ordinary Mexican Citizens that could set everything to right, if they gad the Right to keep and bear Arms, because Gun control in Mexico has proved a massive fail !

 

Don't forget concealed carry !
The numbers of concealed carry licences is sky rocketing ! some places it is as high as 1 out of 16 people have concealed carry.
this has criminals scared !

 

Yep...The only way to stop gun toting criminals is with law-abiding citizens toting their legal guns. Gun grabbers forget that in all these mass shooting incidents, the perp was stopped when the law-abiding and law enforcement show up with.......Guns.

 

Looking up gun death per capita, Mexico is lower than the US.

Also, is Mexico really the best country to compare to with strict gun laws? Others seem quite a bit lower than the US.