A Philosophy To Live By

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  1. gravefiller

    gravefiller Banned

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    I can't take credit for it. This bit of philosophy is something that was added in a post on another forum. Which I very much agree with. It is, "Truth is not hate - Facts are not racism." Does anybody disagree with this?
     
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    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure of the logic. I could say "bananas are not cars - trees are not mountains" and it would have the same logic, that is, zero.
    But I'm being mischievous. I know what you mean. You mean that whatever you say that might be hateful if it's true it isn't hate. And by the same token if you assert facts then they can't be racist. Did I get that right?
     
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    Category errors.

    Hate can be truth and racism is a fact.

    Let me show you why:

    True statements (i.e., truth) -
    Hate is an emotion
    Some humans exhibit hate

    Some facts -
    Racism exists
    Some humans exhibit racism
     
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    You will have to excuse any imprecision in the statement. But you did get it right. Speaking truthful things might be hateful to some. But being the truth is all that matters or should matter. You can also bring up facts that are hateful, to some. But as long as the facts ARE factual, that is all that matters. Or should matter.
     
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    Of the statement I mentioned, there are a number of ways that you can look at it. Most of which are unnecessary.
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    So you're ok with bullying as long as the insults are factually correct?
     
  7. gravefiller

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    Utterly and absolutely, YES! I have been at the receiving end of zillions of moronic insults at various forums. Just because the things I said went against whatever delusional cult people have had imprinted on them.
     
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    I agree with the second part but not with the first as truth is subjective.

    AA
     
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    The problem is most people are sloppy in their semantics. For instance some might see that a statement that "Blacks commit a disproportional amount of murder" and "You are more likely to be killed by a black person" as saying the same thing in two different ways, but they are not the same unless the person you are talking to also fits the same profile as most of the victims of black murderers
     
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    It's literally true but deliberately misleading. The existence of truth/facts obviously aren't hate or racism in themselves but they can be (and are) used with hateful or racist motives.
     
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    Truth is subjective only to liars.
     
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    Really?

    LOL!!!

    What you trust and my truth are maybe completely different.

    Only a fact is a fact.

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    You are making mountains out of mole hills. Also, if in your second statement you had said that you are more likely to be murdered by a negro, that would have been factual.
     
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    Most people I have run across would rather do without truth or facts and live in their delusional, self centered dream world. I am not one of those people. If truth is hateful, then embrace hate. If facts are racist, then embrace racism.

    - - - Updated - - -

    And only the truth is the truth.
     
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    No...a truth is different dependent upon the person.

    Example....a person may see Christianity as a truth....I do not.

    A fact however is a fact.

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    Truth is subjective.

    Hate is a negative emotion and therefore has nothing whatsoever to do with truth.

    Facts are just facts and have no bearing on emotions or subjective truth.

    Racism is a behavior that is learned and can be driven by hatred.

    So no, I don't agree with that attempt to rationalize emotive based racism by trying to disingenuously associate it with the subjective concept of truth or the dispassionate reality of facts.

    Racism is ugly and harmful and anyone who espouses and/or embraces it has a negative philosophy of life IMO.

    There but for the fickle finger of fate go you or I as to the circumstances into which we were born.
     
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    The truth is that there is no god. Any religion that promotes the existence of a god is wrong. If those who follow such a religion think there is a god, they are wrong. Despite what they believe, they are still wrong.
     
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    Well in reality although there does not exist any evidence that a GOD exists you have to look at the probability.

    Probability is low in the extreme that a GOD as advertised in any human religious text exist at 1 chance in 10^178th.

    A Statistical Impossibility exists at 1 chance in 10^150th.

    Thus Probability is no Zero that such a GOD exists.

    Thus to say a GOD does not exist is not a fact.

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    Truth is only subjective to liars. Next, hate is a positive emotion. If somebody purposefully smashed your toe with a hammer fo no other reason than to cause you pain, you would have to be all kinds of screwed up to not hate them for doing so. That is nothing but the truth. Next, facts do have a bearing on emotions. They shouldn't, but they do. Next, racism is beautiful and helpful. Only parasites think otherwise. Racism wouldn't even exist unless there was some useful and highly necessary evolutionary reason for it.
     
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    You are confusing truth and a fact.

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    No it wouldn't be factual.
     
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    I don't understand your math. And you can believe what you want. But I say that there is no god. At least not anything that people imagine it to be. Every religion that thinks there is a god thinks that god is something different. If there is a god, don't you think he would let people know it and get the story straight?
     
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    The purpose of truth is to show facts. The purpose of facts is to show truth.
     
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    I am Agnostic thus I wait for proof.

    The math as far as 1 chance in 10^178th is 1 chance in a 1 with 178 zero's after it.

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    Lay your eyeballs on this.
     

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