DECEPTION

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    The New World Order is a very complex plan in which many Americans will not accept exists. However, Americans cannot deny the fact that we are heading down a oad politicians will not speak about. Ex Congressman Ron Paul tells Americans to vote as much as they want but the Shadow Government won't change. The Shadow Government seems to be the hidden hands behind all of the chaos, and the hands behind terrorist attacks.
    https://www.intellihub.com/ron-paul-vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-wont-change/
    Americans seem to believe each and everything CNN, Fox News, and hundreds of local news media outlets throughout the country tells them about everything. Trust us, you will never know the real truth about the bombs found in both New Jersey and in New York. Many mosques throughout the U.S. where there is racism like what is occurring at the mosque in Easton, Pennsylvania, there are plots. Many immigrant muslims who discriminate against ordinary African Americans muslims has something to hide, and they know 8 out of 10 African Americans will snitch. The feds think they know whats going on in every mosque throughout the U.S., and because the leaders of the mosques usually sell out some of their members, the feds think they are cooperative with undercover investigations. If African American members of the mosque in Easton, Pa., didn't hate caucasians with such intensity,
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-futu...conspiring-fabricate-criminal-charges-against
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ack-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/
    Americans may be surprised exposed tactics used against the African Americans by their immigrant muslim brothers.The mind set is no different than the fellow who shot up the nightclub in Florida, or the alleged bomber of New York and New Jersey. Unfortunately, the African Americans at the mosque, according to reliable sources, have lied and covered up things for the immigrants because they have alot of money, and have pulled many of them out of financial trouble. Its all about the money! Some of them will kill you behind those immigrants as well.
    Money donated to the mosque used to help others in need have been used for other things. Many Hindu muslims claim that if they imitate the ways caucasians treat African Americans, it would take the focus off of them, their businesses, et cetera. Its going to get alot more intense as we close on to November 8, 2016, folks. Infact, a few weeks ago we observed the 15th anniversary of attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Looking back, we know history will most definitely conclude that our response to the attacks was swift, despite the lack of investigation as to who was involved and who funded it. Within hours of the attacks, the media reported and had pictures of the hijackers and who had hired them. We were told their leader was Osama bin Laden, the Saudi millionaire and former CIA asset in the Cold War. National Security Adviser and now adviser to Barack Obama, Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted on CNN that the U.S. organized and supported bin Laden and the other originators of “Al Qaeda” in the 1970s to fight the Soviets.

    We were told by George W. Bush that the terrorists were evil, In fact, they were evil lunatics and their motive was simply because they hated our freedom. President George W. Bush was explicit when he said there would be a war and struggle pitting good vs. evil. This was simple spin to eliminate question the events of the day. It would not be a complicated investigation, nor would there be a criminal court – it was the president promising to rid the world of evil. From there, the media learned that people are easily swayed by simple-watered down euphemisms that were useful in creating straw man arguments against anyone who did not support the illusory fight against evil. You were either with the government or with the terrorists. There were no gray areas—no place for dialogue, and no tome to question how the vent happened. It was evil – and if you got in the way of the fight against evil you were evil to. There was no accountability for our decades of flawed foreign policy in the Middle East – no talk of blowback and culpability – it was good old good guys and bad guys – it was Matt Dillon shooting the guy wearing the black hat. The sad thing is, it worked.

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    From that time forward the straw man argument was a tool used by many politicians and the media to strike down opposing points of view with logical fallacy. This type of back and forth – us vs. them reasoning somehow became a monster within media circles and eventually became the underlying theme of the ubernarrative that has been used to program the behavior of anyone within ear shot of the mainstream agenda. When you watch the mainstream news or listen to any media anymore there has to be the creation of a fictitious adversary, victim, or problem in order to create the impression that whatever the problem or pain it causes, the media can solve it, or they will interview those who claim to have the solutions, namely the politicians they choose to endorse. The media will break down a crisis with a simple “us vs. them” straw man argument that can easily be accepted depending on the philosophies of the network that programs the demographic they choose to appeal to. The solution is always Politician “A” can create equality, alleviate oppression, or solve the problem through more government intervention and laws. Perhaps you have heard something like “exhibit crisis 1 has been plaguing us for some time and thus there needs to be the solution of eliminating the problem by punishing everyone and limiting the freedom that is used to create this crisis.”

    There should be a myriad of solutions, and there should be many ideas presented, but they are all whittled down to one good idea (theirs) and one bad idea (yours). It is the foundation for keen and stealthy manipulation. It plays on peer pressure, need to be accepted, and that we know better than you do – so please do as we say, do as I do, or if you like what I do, or if you are like us you will give your support to the person we have chosen to manipulate you. Manipulating the feelings of various groups for political advantage plays one group off another. Diversity actually encourages division, inherent contradictions, and double standards when everyone is given special treatment. Yet here in the United States, we have turned the demand for equality, racial and sexual oppression, victimhood and racial and sexual orientation insensitivity into a cottage industry. The cottage industry of “diversity,” is the newest and most divisive. It ironically supports division and breeds divisiveness. Unity becomes the polar opposite of diversity, which turns into laughable bumper sticker activism. The media continues to encourage identity politics and pander to different groups. Just like good vs. evil we have simplified our problems with the poor vs. the rich, black vs. white, male vs. female, straight vs. gay, religious vs. secular, and unionist vs. environmentalist.

    The majority of Americans no longer sees themselves as a unit of proud citizens; they now play the game of fragmentation and identity politics. This leads to zealous nationalistic infighting which is why we are seeing this problem of football players deciding not to stand for the national anthem. Small doses of nationalism and pride are a healthy part of patriotism however now militant zealots and sycophants in the middle of their “us vs. them” crisis have now been placed front and center in the ubernarrative because this is what now fuels the dialogue in this country. It is now all about straw man arguments and identity politics. The media is fabricating the illusion that one side is more right than the other proclaiming they are the ones to solve the problems at the root of so much social division. We are told that one side is better or on the side of good while another side is more evil and both liberal and conservative zealots lick it up. It breeds political bigotry where people mistakenly think that their political party is always good and the other is always evil. It gets worse when the political ideology one holds turns into the litmus test for who they want to scapegoat for the problems of the world, who they want to make the straw man.

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    From that time forward the straw man argument was a tool used by many politicians and the media to strike down opposing points of view with logical fallacy. This type of back and forth – us vs. them reasoning somehow became a monster within media circles and eventually became the underlying theme of the ubernarrative that has been used to program the behavior of anyone within ear shot of the mainstream agenda. When you watch the mainstream news or listen to any media anymore there has to be the creation of a fictitious adversary, victim, or problem in order to create the impression that whatever the problem or pain it causes, the media can solve it, or they will interview those who claim to have the solutions, namely the politicians they choose to endorse. The media will break down a crisis with a simple “us vs. them” straw man argument that can easily be accepted depending on the philosophies of the network that programs the demographic they choose to appeal to. The solution is always Politician “A” can create equality, alleviate oppression, or solve the problem through more government intervention and laws. Perhaps you have heard something like “exhibit crisis 1 has been plaguing us for some time and thus there needs to be the solution of eliminating the problem by punishing everyone and limiting the freedom that is used to create this crisis.”

    There should be a myriad of solutions, and there should be many ideas presented, but they are all whittled down to one good idea (theirs) and one bad idea (yours). It is the foundation for keen and stealthy manipulation. It plays on peer pressure, need to be accepted, and that we know better than you do – so please do as we say, do as I do, or if you like what I do, or if you are like us you will give your support to the person we have chosen to manipulate you. Manipulating the feelings of various groups for political advantage plays one group off another. Diversity actually encourages division, inherent contradictions, and double standards when everyone is given special treatment. Yet here in the United States, we have turned the demand for equality, racial and sexual oppression, victimhood and racial and sexual orientation insensitivity into a cottage industry. The cottage industry of “diversity,” is the newest and most divisive. It ironically supports division and breeds divisiveness. Unity becomes the polar opposite of diversity, which turns into laughable bumper sticker activism. The media continues to encourage identity politics and pander to different groups. Just like good vs. evil we have simplified our problems with the poor vs. the rich, black vs. white, male vs. female, straight vs. gay, religious vs. secular, and unionist vs. environmentalist.

    The majority of Americans no longer sees themselves as a unit of proud citizens; they now play the game of fragmentation and identity politics. This leads to zealous nationalistic infighting which is why we are seeing this problem of football players deciding not to stand for the national anthem. Small doses of nationalism and pride are a healthy part of patriotism however now militant zealots and sycophants in the middle of their “us vs. them” crisis have now been placed front and center in the ubernarrative because this is what now fuels the dialogue in this country. It is now all about straw man arguments and identity politics. The media is fabricating the illusion that one side is more right than the other proclaiming they are the ones to solve the problems at the root of so much social division. We are told that one side is better or on the side of good while another side is more evil and both liberal and conservative zealots lick it up. It breeds political bigotry where people mistakenly think that their political party is always good and the other is always evil. It gets worse when the political ideology one holds turns into the litmus test for who they want to scapegoat for the problems of the world, who they want to make the straw man.

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    This is happening all the time. One person identifies with a political party and literally hates the other and will somehow see people with that philosophy as a lesser human. This type of behavior jumpstarted the heart of Nazism and the core strategy of the Soviet Union’s liquidation or even erasure of what the leaders determined to be enemies of the state. It breeds a pathological society. People now see whistle blowing, insurrection, rebellion and other thwarting of the oligarchy as all politically motivated either leaning liberal or leaning conservative. If a group of Native Americans wish to protest a pipeline and a private firm unleashes dogs on them, it becomes a political issue as green party candidates and political environmentalists can’t pass up the opportunity to stump in the middle of the chaos. Vocal and pathological conservatives overlook the maiming and injuring of the people protesting – in order to push their idea of “drill baby drill” and job opportunities that will be destroyed if the pipeline doesn’t go through. I have heard from ugly political zealots “Who cares if the National Guard shows up to threaten these people – they crossed a blockade and are trespassing – if they don’t want an RPG pointed at them – they will do as their told.” It is amazing how their unarmed act of protesting is seen as evil against the men with guns, dogs and tanks.

    Can any see how this attitude is pathological and dangerous? The core of identity politics is that if you fail to identify with the party line, you are a traitor not just to the party, but to your country, your race and your religion. In the United States both political parties deploy identity politics, however we are now hearing from the democrat side that if you don’t vote the Democratic ticket, you will be choosing a narcissist dictator, a racist, a misogynist, and a vote for him makes you a traitor. The Democrat side is making up conspiracy theories about conspiracy theorists and saying that concerns about the health of their candidate is a right wing conspiracy concocted by the Kremlin. This accusation is made as their candidate struggles to get into a van after visit to the 911 memorial. Never have there been so many accusations of “racist wallpapering” from the so-called progressives as there are now. Most of this “racist” wall papering is being derived from white “progressives” that assume that there is a growing group of racists that are hiding amongst 9/11 Truth seekers, conspiracy theorists and a new group of trouble makers that the liberal left have called “The Birthers,” or those who question the birth place of Barack Obama.

    The birther idea has once again crept into this election campaign as Hillary Clinton has demanded that Donald Trump apologize for questioning Obama’s birth eligibility for president. Once again we see another Strawman argument being thrown into the media zeitgeist to take our minds off of her health. So in his smug way he basically threw it back at Clinton by stating at a press conference that he has “finished” Hillary Clinton’s “birther” campaign. They felt they were played…some even say that he pulled a political “Rick Roll.” The media had to scramble to figure out why he would accuse Hillary of starting such a vicious rumor about Barack Obama not being born in the United States. The truth is Trump also knows how to use straw man logic and he did it against his opponent. For the record Hillary did not start the rumor; however her silence of the issue spoke volumes when her staff and a group of angry Democrat Hillary supporters called PUMA started up the rumor that was first brought up when he was running for the senate of Illinois in 2004 by his rival Andy Martin. It needs to be said that that the first man who brought Obama’s citizenship into question during his presidential run was a left-wing Jewish Democrat named Philip J. Berg, who actually backed Hillary Clinton for president. Berg, a former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania actually sued the Bush Administration charging Bush and 154 others with complicity in the 9/11 attacks.
     
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    Berg argued in 2008 that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in 1961 to an American woman, Stanley Ann Dunham, and a Kenyan man, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, as reportedly shown by a birth certificate from Mombasa Maternity Hospital and witnessed by Barack’s relatives. The Birther conspiracy theory gained momentum and was pushed by renegade members of the original Obama haters, Party Unity My Ass, known more commonly by their acronym, the PUMAs. They were a splinter group of hard-core Hillary Clinton supporters who did not want to give up the ghost after the bitter 50-state Bataan Death March to the 2008 Democratic nomination. In the early summer of ’08, message boards on sites like PUMAParty.com began lighting up with the ultimate reversal-of-fortune fantasy—that their party’s nomination could be overturned on constitutional grounds. “Obama May Be Illegal to Be Elected President!” read one representative e-mail: “This came from a USNA [U.S. Naval Academy] alumnus. It’ll be interesting to see how the media handle this…WRITE TO YOUR LOCAL newspaper editors etc. Keep this out there every day possible. Also write to the DNC too!” That June, the Obama campaign released his certificate of live birth on its Web site as part of its “fight the smears” effort. Factcheck.org and other organizations examined the document in person and declared it genuine.

    But posters at the PUMA sites were unimpressed: saying “Nobody believes it’s for real, except the Kool-Aid drinkers themselves.” Before all of these accusations there was also the pictures that were e-mailed by aides of Hillary Clinton that showed Obama dressed as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya. Obama campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign of “shameful offensive fear-mongering” by circulating a photo as an attempted smear. Plouffe said in a statement: “On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world,” said Plouffe. The Clinton campaign issued an official response to the growing anger – but the statement from campaign manager Maggie Williams did not respond to the central question of whether staffers circulated the photo.

    They merely complained back that if Obama can’t take the heat, he should how out. Maggie Williams said in 2008 “If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely. “This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry. We will not be distracted.” Now she is busting Trump for his statements about Obama because it is politically expedient that she does so — and every partisan Zealot in the media is coming to her defense as Trump once again plays the tune – and the media dances to it no matter bad it sounds. Even if it is something that is a poor excuse for a political Rick Astley medley.

    SEPTEMBER 20, 2016
     
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    Maybe it's just me....but how is this new and not just common sense.
    We have always known this...but in the end one must chose whom to vote for.

    Or run for politics.
    Actions speak louder then words. dunno where you got this, or if this is personal thought...but lets see if this ends in a dead thread.

    You coulda just typed Politics, an summed it up....I like being wrong...as it usually ends up better for a populous...lets see if anyone has the time to sit down an read....what they already know.
     
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    Wall of text that can't fit into one OP.
    You may make very valid points but I'm not reading all that.
     
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    It literally takes 30 seconds to read...He uses punctuation and everything...not well but, ya know..
     
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    You just like it 'cause he covers logical fallacy. :nana:
    I just don't do wall of text posts like that.
    It should be able to be said in a paragraph or 3.
     
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    This is true :roflol: next time OP should cover it in less then that wall.
     
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    You covered much ground so I chose just a portion. "Deception" is a good term.

    Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Taliban, ISIS, Salafi, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, and numerous other groups all share the same Saudi inspired version of Sunni-Salafi Islamist militant radical ideology.

    After these Saudi terrorists committed 911 Bush claimed that we would not only be going after the terrorists but the supporters of terrorism. 10 years later Obama began (in conjunction with Saud, Turkey and others) supporting and arming these same Sunni-Salafi extremists to fight a proxy war in Syria (groups which included Al Qaeda/Al Nusra)

    The creation of a black/white, good vs evil, God vs Devil paradigm is part of the sophisticated mind control techniques used by cults.

    The use of the "fear factor" as a tool to increase police powers towards totalitarianism and take away essential liberty - individual rights and freedoms - is not new.

    The founders were well aware of the technique of using of fear to take away essential liberty.

    Ben Franklin - Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary security deserve neither liberty or security.

    Stalin wrote the textbook by using fear of a foreign threat to take away individual rights and freedoms/liberty. He called his program
    "Security for the Motherland"

    Hitler did the same calling it "Fatherland Security"

    Bush used the same formula (fear of an external threat to take away individual liberty) "Homeland Security"

    Under Bush it became our "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty. (Patriot Act).

    Obama took up the charge "If we want increased security we have to give a little" . This was said defending the NSA spying and its leader lying to congress. Not only does this guy not get punished for lying to congress .. he keeps his job.

    Obama then changes the name of the act which takes away liberty and freedom to the equally Orwellian doublespeak "Freedom Act

    So what is this threat that is so "Scary" that we should give up liberty to purchase a little security ? Terrorism of course. The fear is pounded into us on a daily basis via the mass media and the Political talking heads.

    The risk of harm from terrorism is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking". God forbid one drives a car to work - thousands of times more risk of harm.

    Yet - over this relatively insignificant risk of harm we are supposed to sell the liberty our forefathers sacrificed their lives to purchase. US citizens are so scared of this terrible risk of harm that they hide under tables in closets begging to give up their rights and freedoms.

    The founders limited the power of Gov't by putting individual liberty "Above" the legitimate authority of Gov't. The reason is that when Gov't gets too much power they eventually abuse that power and use it against the citizens.

    That Gov't's will abuse power is greater risk to "security" than the terrorist threat. A threat which in large degree we have created. The founders created a system in which the power of Gov't was to be limited. For 200 years the Gov't has been trying to get that power back .. and they have succeeded.

    Not only has the Gov't succeeded but it is starting to abuse that power.

    The primary ideology of the aforementioned Salafi-Sunni extremists is to take away individual liberty. They hate "Secularism" (a non theocracy). They hate individual rights and freedoms and personal liberty wanting Strict Sharia to be the law of the land.

    Bin Laden could not have dreamed for a better outcome. One terrorist act and he has the Country that is supposed to represent individual liberty begging to trade that liberty away.

    Even more important to Bin Laden than the western infidel was the fight against "Secularism" in Muslim nations. Iraq - despite Saddam's flaws, was a secular Muslim nation. This was an anathema to Bin Ladin/ Al Qaeda and all the other aforementioned Sunni-Salafi Islamist extremists.

    Another secular Muslim nation is Syria. They do not have "Strict Sharia Law". The have freedom of Religion. Assad has Christians as Generals in his army and there are Christian Churches. (There are no Churches other than Islamic allowed in the land of Saud and on is not allowed to openly practice any other religion) In Syria there is drinking, music and dancing in bars. This is not allowed in Saud.

    In Syria women do not need permission of a man to be educated. They can drive cars and wear skirts. They can wear normal bathing suits when swimming.

    These individual rights and freedoms was the "call to Jihad" in Syria. All of the "rebels" are united in wanting strict sharia/theocracy to be the law of the land/political system.

    So we took out Iraq for Bin Laden and now we are arming and funding Al Qaeda to continue his fight against Secularism/individual rights and freedoms in Syria.
     
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    Yeah but the OP uses internet links and we all know that the internet is controlled by the shadow government and links are designed to mislead us.
     
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    That's the part where you fight the ADD, and get back to point :boxing:, not get lured by the -HOLY CRAP LOOKY THAT- sub link within the original link. If that happenes, then it may take someone an hour or 2 to read it :p
     
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    USA Today is the South Park version of news.
     
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    South Park can be spot on at times.
     
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    That is how the shadow government keeps from getting caught--they mix in some occasional truth to give the false credibility.
     
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    USA Today is not exactly a trustworthy news source.
    Neither is CNN,NBC,hardly any of them.
    What's even worse is the right-fringe sites that take the MSM news which is already a lie and run with it in their own fashion.
     
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    I'm safe. I get all my news from twitter. Twitter is also the reason it will be a very long time before I will be able to eat a McChicken sandwich, but that is a whole other thread entirely.
     
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    That thing needs chapters and an appendix.
     
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    It sure does.An index,too.
     
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    Good point Vern.

    It's too much for most people.

    My position, "Tell me what you are freaking doing about it". If nothing , then understand this.

     
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    T L; D R
     
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    tl;dr
     
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    On a multitude of issues South Park is the ONLY commentator getting it right.

    Watch the Museum of Tolerance episode, or Margaritaville. If you're willing, these two episodes will absolutely change your mind. I guarantee it, or money back.
     
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