Vice-Presidential Debate

Well, I think you are at least right about the debate not moving the needle and about Pence not being able to defend Trump. His primary "defense" was just to deny facts. If Hillary performs as well against Trump as she did in the last debate, or even moderately as well, then the election is in the bag. Trump's only hope will be to invoke conspiracy theories and angle for that new media company he has in the works.

 

Ya...Your OPINION is noted...

 

first of all you don't know what the hell you are talking about
you don't need both chambers to impeach the house holds the impeachment hearing and the senate decides on the punishment or if there will be any
that is what saved B. Clinton from getting kicked out of office he was impeached by the house just wasn't removed from office saved by the senate
and that is in the constitution so it cant be changed without an amendment

 

There is your problem, believing what Kaine said had anything to do with 'facts'....It's mostly leftist memes, created in opinion and sold, by the MSM, as 'facts'....

I am sure that Hillary will 'perform' that is what she does best while hiding all her self-absorbed, nefarious, political machinations.

 

The goal of Pence was to normalize trump...didn't happen. He couldn't defend anything trump has said. And his goal was to expand the base....didn't happen.

If you're arguing about style, I agree that Kaine didn't come off well many times. Although personally, Pence droned on in a monotone like a school teacher and I had a hard time paying attention to what he was saying...which often times was positions that his candidate doesn't hold, btw.

But on substance, Kaine simply illustrated trump's failings...over and over...and it was effective.

Overall, I give both of them points for actually talking about issues and being fairly civilized...it was a good debate. But Pence was not a good advocate for his candidate. If Pence was running for office and was illuminating his own policy, he'd be in better shape. That his wagon is hitched to trump isn't going to bode well for him.

The question is whether Pence's lackluster support of his candidate slows Clinton's momentum until the next debate.

 

Embarrassed to own the obvious when it's pointed out and clear as a bell? The Liberals and Progressives are pro-choice as opposed to the radical crazies on the right that are more than fine with government poking around in the wombs of the female citizenry and denying them the privacy and freedom that a democracy guarantees. No doubt about it...Sharia law is not in conflict with what the bat crap crazy right wingers vie for.

 

so Trump was what the majority of Republicans see as a real republican, they picked Trump to lead this country in Republicans name

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Eh, no. More than once I heard Pence flat out deny things his candidate said, not to mention the missed opportunities Kaine had to do things like point out Trump's vocal support for pulling out of Iraq, which Pence said led to the creation of ISIS.

That is different from Trump . . . how, exactly? Well, I guess his "machinations" have been primarily centered around business and entertainment rather than politics, until the past year or so, and they aren't so much "nefarious" as "completely transparent to anyone outside his most devoted followers." But self-absorbed? No one does self-absorbed like the Trump.

 

Actually to a certain extent, I like the interruptions in a debate. To me, that's part of the whole point of bringing the two together, to see what they're like when they face off against each other in person. We all spend the entire campaign season hearing the individual candidates making speeches in front of large crowds of mainly their supporters who all agree with them and applaud what they say about their opponent. The debates are the first time we get to see how each reacts to what the other says when those things are said to their face. I agree though that sometimes the interruptions get out of hand.
Perhaps the debate Q&A should be structured such that there should be:
2-minute answer
2-minute rebuttal,
3-minute free-for-all where they can talk over each other as much as they want.

 

I won't deny that Pence's support for his candidate was lackluster (And what other support could someone honestly give Trump while maintaining any semblance of sanity?), but honestly, I found Kaine's attacks on Trump just as lackluster. Pence did nothing to normalize Trump, but he did take some pot shots at Clinton that could be persuasive to undecideds and which I didn't feel Kaine adequately addressed. Just a could of examples: he went after Clinton on the foreign policy mess we have now. That resonates with conservatives, independents and even several Democrats. There were a lot of responses Kaine could have given to that, but I didn't feel like he prepared an answer. He also went after Clinton on economic challenges (which resonate with those I mentioned above) and I also felt Kaine didn't have good response prepared there. Kaine should have pointed out that Trump supported the same foreign policy decisions that he is now criticizing and that Trump's polices could be considered even less fiscally conservative than Clintons. I think that could have actually swayed some folks in the middle.

In the end, though, I don't think most people will be persuaded by any of these issues coming from a VP candidate. They want the actual candidate to address them. In that arena, Trump has a lot of ground to make up for . . . assuming he doesn't give up on the whole strategic debate thing and devolve completely into personal attacks in the next debate.

 

No it wasn't..and he didn't HAVE to defend it because Trump never said most of what he is being accused of saying and off-hand comments are treated like Trump's deep held beliefs. Total and complete nonsense and political demagoguery.

Ha Ha Ha...What spin!!! Kain came off like a nattering nabob.

Only if you think Democrat talking points are 'substance' Which, of course, they are not.

Civilized? You got to be kidding!!! Kaine was rude and constantly interrupting. Yeah it was a good debate for Pence for sure and he was an excellent advocate for his candidate..remember his candidate PICKED him. But then, according to you people, Trump knows nothing.

Pinch yourself...you got it bad....Hillaryitis....Get some antibiotic. "Put some ice on that"

 

Obviously the goal of Pence was to wipe the floor with Hillary based on her record of failures and disasters and present Trump's pro-American immigration, trade and foreign policy platform in a civilized and professional manner. He succeeded beyond anyone's wildest expectations and frankly Kaine's petty, rude and hysterical "but taxes... but Mexicans.." repetitive bleatings made Pence look even better in comparison ...If Trump had such performance a week ago, he'd be 10 points ahead now. Whether Pence's absolutely amazing success will make any difference remains to be seen but Hillary is not popping champagne corks tonight.

 

CNN poll (not bogus online poll) found Pence winning by a small margin. Didn't see it but from everything I read, that doesn't sound surprising.

 

She is probably overwhelmed by the fumes. Farmville literally smells like cow crap. You know you are getting close without needing to see a road sign when the smell hits you in the face. It can be sickening, especially when it is warm.

 

DEBATE DISASTER for Tim Kaine: Ohio Focus Group Turned Off By Interruptions – Laughs at Hillary’s Veep

 

He is already practicing running against her in 2020.

 

I agree. That does not change the fact that he wiped the floor with Hillary/Kaine tonight and I am sure he will run in 2020 if Trump loses or in 2024 if Trump wins

 

What is theocratic over not killing children?

This person will end up behind bars over killing a child.

You know very well that had she killed the child a bit earlier, per you guys, it would be entirely legal.

 

I thought that kaine won on substance of policy and told fewer lies, but Pence had it all over him in style and approach (although I didn't like the headshaking and smirking).

I thought Kaine was too aggressive and repetitive. His constant interrupting was annoying.

I agree with some of the talking heads that Pence appeared to be setting up for a serious run in 4 years time.

 

I disagree.

However I will say that William Safire had a way with words, and I have always liked that expression.

 

He most certainly lost on substance. The world is not a safer place by any stretch of imagination, the borders are open and no one in the government has any idea who gets in illegally or legally, the economy is not working for the middle class or the poor, the Obamacare is a disaster (see B. Clinton for details), the American prestige is at all time low, the national debt and income inequality is at all time high.. AND IT ALL HAS HAPPENED ON OBAMA'S AND HILLARY'S WATCH, NOT TRUMP'S. And no amount of liberal spin will change these facts in the minds of the American people.

Pence ignored smear and insults and personal attacks and stuck to the issues and the current administration can't win on issues.

 

Pence's rebuttal to that was lame AND incorrect:
"He also said and many of them are good people. You keep leaving that out of your quote."
Trump didn't say "many," he said "some".
"...and some, I assume, are good people."

 

So Kaine did lie by omission, didn't he?

 

Kaine is a nut. What a terrible pick, but then, so is Clinton.

Pence, Trump's employee err VP, continued the trend of both the Trump campaign and it's supporters by not bothering to even try defending Trump at this point. Sadly, in pointing out the shortfalls of Clinton while ignoring those very same shortfalls in Trump, he proves himself to be like so many other Trump supporters who pretend dishonesty and self-serving behavior are shocking things that should disqualify Clinton but are willing to ignore those very same qualities in Trump. No integrity. No credibility. Granted, Pence was hired to be a spokesman so really he's just doing what the boss says, but still. A guy like that, the old guard noble conservative, you'd think would have some standards.

But then again, not having standards is what the campaign and it's supporters survive on so maybe not so surprising.

 

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