Labour suspends Jackie Walker over Holocaust comments

Yes, that was not correct about her and interesting point you make about time. I did find some material on the issue of Jews involved in in the sugar and slave trade in Brazil but that was not what she was talking about and to be honest to know anything about this would require wading through so many different points of view that it would take me a very long time to do..

Thankfully I have now though found a video of her and she informs us what she was talking about.

I will just give you an introductory quote and provide the video

I think this is pertinent to what is going on and something which is frequently said about other people who are offended.

[video=youtube;45__YZNSGE8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45__YZNSGE8[/video]

There is a script of most of what she said here http://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/jackie-walker-speaking-labour-party-conference-fringe-event-video/

The Chakrabarti recommendations she talks of were from a report which the Labour Party authorised into racism and antisemitism in the Labour Party. Chakrabarti is one of the most respected people in that field in the UK today. Unfortunately it appears as Jackie says the recommendation which she made are being largely ignored.

 

Yes that is pretty good. Some cryptic messages included!

http://jfjfp.com/?p=87242

Have a read of that. Something is going on in the UK. Doesn't happen often but that speech is really moving - brought tears to my eyes.

 

Thank-you alexa for some great and much needed posts.

And for those following along, it turns out out they went after her for being right...

 

"khazari ashkenazim"????????

proof of the anti-Semitic agenda of this image.

plus the fact that it ignores all slave buyers who were NOT Jews.

most slave owners in the USA, and especially Latin America were NOT Jews.

who bares the ultimate guilt for slavery? those who bought the slaves.

without their demand, there would be no slave ships or slave dealers.

 

Sam that's so cute! You don't even try to find actual proof rather, you bottom feed and grab antisemitic canards from Holocaust Denial sites.

 

She's a witch! Burn her!

Her crimes are no different than the witches' were 1,000 years ago.

 

LOL

THREAD UPDATE:

1) She attacked noone.

2) She was correct about the Jewish slave ships.

 

She said Jews were responsible for the slave trade when we all know that they were not. By lying and claiming an entire ethnoreligious group was responsible for an act of evil she attacked them. You tried to prove her point by going to an antisemitic Holocaust Denial site and coming up with 15 ships owned by Jews but forget that over a thousand ships in all were responsible.

 

For those out of the loop, this is the meme Drew is upset with:



NOTE: The meme presents the facts from a 4 volume set of the original documents of the time from the Carnegie Institute.

The slave ships was their business... this we know.

This women only spoke the truth and like so many truth tellers that have come before, she got labeled an anti-Semite in an attempt to silence her.

 

Really Sam? I notice your Holocaust Denial website you got this from omitted the other hundreds of ships and concentrated on the fourteen Jewish owned ones. Are you going to tell us that millions of slaves over hundreds of years traveled on these fourteen ships?

Please, you and Jackie just can't prove that one can you or are you going to simply leave it at the Jews owned less than fifteen ships.

 

I can't say for sure whether there was any statements downplaying anti-semitism, but lets say there were some. How would this be "slander"?

 

No she did not.

You are the person lying saying she said that.

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She said absolutely nothing about Jewish slave ships.

 

Well now, what are the crimes you are accusing her of? In this video she explains how her Mother who was a civil rights activist along with Martin Luther King and during that campaign met her father a Russian Ashkenazi Jew. Her Mum was brought to a McCathy trial before she was deported from the US during the McCarthy era and arrived in Britain as did many other Jews. (From 8 mins) I can understand why she says what she is going through right now reminds her of what her Mother went through then.. Were you burning Jewish and black women then?

[video=youtube;PlqfUzDBylg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlqfUzDBylg[/video]

 

She said:

""..and many Jews (my ancestors too) were the chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade which is of course why there were so many early synagogues in the Caribbean.""

 

Yes she did and the most she can be accused of is an exaggeration when having a heated argument with a friend. This has all been dealt with. She speaks more about this in the video in post 62. In brief she was having a face book argument with a couple of friends which she believed was a private discussion. One of them told her it was shameful to support BDS because of the holocaust. She said she did not agree. Sometimes people are vicitims and sometimes perpetrators but she does not believe that having been a victim gives a people a right to be a perpetrator which is what she she believed her friend was suggesting. She also said what you say above which is quite different from what you said and I replied to. . The Labour Party at the moment is trying to get rid of Corbyn supporters by accusing them of antisemitsm. Guido Fawkes had been searching social media for things he could use against people and this he found against her. It was a massive shock at the time as she is very respected for her work on racism. She went to the tribunal and they realised she had committed no offence. The most she can be accused of is exaggeration and who among us has not exaggerated in a heated political argument with a friend. I have written what she said and left the video in post 51

For you to say

was dishonest and itself a massive exaggeration of any exaggeration she herself made and the evidence was right before your eyes.

 

Now for the full context:
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/...ations-of-antisemitism-free-speech-on-israel/

 

Thanks. IOWs she believes the Jews had a major role in the slave trade. It is a antisemitic position as I have already shown.

 

Really now. I accuse her of being antisemitic just like many others. She quacks like a duck .......

The most she can be accused of? She goes onto stick her antisemitic foot in her mouth yet again at a Holocaust event. Methinks she ought not to be in politics if she can't articulate herself properly unless of course, she is articulating herself just the way she intended in which case, she ought to be suspended.

The evidence is that she didn't say something accurate such as how Arabs were chiefly responsible for same or Europeans, she singled out Jews who played one of the more minor roles. It's called demonization and applying double standards and is defined by the UN as a sure sign of antisemitism.

 

The fact that you wrongly accuse her of of antisemitism for an issue which she has already been investigated for and cleared of just goes with all the information I have seen come from you - totally uninterested in reality which is why I have you on ignore. I saw the post I replied to before I signed in.

Yes the most.

She stuck no antisemetic foot into anything and the private meeting which out of context material was maliciously leaked from was not even a holocaust event which illustrates clearly what I said before that you are a person who has no interest in facts just your prejudice.

She articulates herself very well. You clearly are a person who screams antisemitism on a person for political reasons who gives no care whatsoever for the facts. See why I have you on ignore? You are not worth paying any attention to.

Oh I see the evidence now is not to do with anything which was being discussed or what the lunatics accused her of. It is to do with what you wanted her to discuss. Ah right! Very, very sad. You have shown yourself to spread hatred and in this case against a black Jewish person because she was not at the time her account was trolled discussing what you wanted. She was not discussing the slave trade. Have you read any of this thread? Did you read the link which Trout left? Have you looked at either of the videos I left. Do you have the slightest clue what this is about? You would like to ruin someone's career because at the time her account was trolled she was not discussing what you would like to hear discussed. I have heard everything now.

I am not going to waste my time on any more fantasies you have which are totally void of reality.

 

Good. Anybody that defends a person who repeats antisemitic canards flies in the same flock. I look forward to posting unanswered rebuttals to all your posts defending this sort of scum.

 

No, I wasn't alive back in the Dark Ages. I've never burned any witches, and none of my relatives or myself have fought in any wars since the American Civil War.

I was making light of the fact that when anyone DARES to compare anyone else's suffering to the Jews during the Holocaust (which must be the central event in human history), then they should be "burned at the stake."

 

So having been shown that all of your claims were false you simply respond by under five playground bullying calling me names. She was not repeating any antisemite canards. You cannot show any evidence that this is so and ignore all the evidence to show it is not to only to continue your trolling. I look forward to reporting you until you are banned.

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My apologies. I did wonder about that after I posted.

 

Thank-you, alexa, I stand corrected and unlike others here, I have no problem admitting I am wrong when shown. Her comments were about their role in the Caribbean slave trade and the ships I posted were from several volumes of information from the time and came from the Carnegie Institute, not from her. These ships indeed carried 1000s of slaves, but she in fact only spoke of Jews as the financiers in that region.

There is a quite definitive work on this subject that was authored, more like compiled by the Historical Research Department of the Nation of Islam. I say compiled because the book uses all Jewish sources of the time to show their point. They knew in advance that the charge of anti-Semitism would be used to discredit their work, so using all Jewish sources was a decision that was made to alleviate that problem while leaving their readers the actual evidence, which again comes directly form Jews themselves. I just finished it. It is titled The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews and should be read by anyone interested in this topic.

Thank-you for taking the time to do what you have done on this thread. You have spent an amazing amount of effort, but it seems like your effort was well spent as not one of them have been able to argue facts with you, the main one being that the charges of anti-Semirism against her were nonsense and simply used by those who hate her as a trick to stifle debate and as an attempt to hurt Corbyn and his party.

This use of anti-Semitism has been admitted to as well (like we did not already know):

[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]

Keep up the good work.

 

Good. When you are representing a group, your words are a reflection of the whole group. They voted and do not wish to be represented by her. Bu Bye!

 

Well things are not as black and white as that. She was removed from her job as vice chair, not for antisemitism but for not dealing with things well by 7 votes to 3. Haven't yet been able to find out why that happened. I know many people wrote and warned them that they should not expect that if they got rid of Jackie that it would stop there, they would just come for the next person. She remains however in the steering committee of Momentum so no, they are not wanting to get rid of her.

letter from Jewish Members and supporters of Momentum criticising this decision

any one interested in more information about the Jewish Labour Movement