Labour suspends Jackie Walker over Holocaust comments

That makes sense. This can't be her first bad decision.

 

Everything is antisemitic... even to physically work hard for ones' upkeep!

 

Ah not as simple as that though. 7 people out of an organisation of hundreds of thousands voted for her to lose her position as vice chair and maintain it within the steering committee and of course if you had read the letter by Jewish Members and supporters of Momentum you would get a hint it may indeed not be about what was claimed.

One of the incidents which she was claimed to have dealt with badly was her interview with Cathy Newman and on that I completely agree. I saw that interview. It surprised me because Jon Snow, the oldest most experienced on Channel 4 News had come out during the Gaza war with a controversial interview which did not present the customary pro Israel whatever she does stance - indeed even criticising that. Hence I expected this to be a fair interview. It was anything but. Ms Newman went right on the attack - she used an angry accusing voice at Jackie throughout. Anyone who has done any study of psychology will know that this makes it very difficult for any who have not been trained in the SAS to maintain their equilibrium. She gave Jackie a massive smile at the end which also was completely baffling after how she had been talking to her. This interview then was I think probably the main thing which she was unable to deal with and personally having been abused by a television interviewer - by tone if nothing else possibly does indicate that in the current climate she on that situation did not have the correct fiery temperament to fight back. I think a better response to that would have been to put in a complaint and ask for a fairer interview.

However if you look at the open letter given by Jews supportive or Members of Momentum you will see that they are still arguing that she is not antisemetic. That is because without this claim there is no way that this would have happened. It is now appearing that Jackie and the other Jewish Non JLM who were at that meeting were there on invitation and it is looking possible that this whole thing was a set up. The Chakrabarti report on racism and antisemitism itself had argued against having training sessions of this kind suggesting different ways of dealing with it and the belief was that everything which was said in that meeting was confidential. They did not even know of the filming....yet what we got were a few out of context sentences made by Walker released to the public in what is without question a witch hunt. Jackie has suffered massive racism during this time, not least being told she is not a Jew, someone said that on this thread and the reason she is not a Jew is because she is black and you cannot be a Jew and black. She has found the abuse so unsettling that she has had to close her twitter account.

Going back to the antisemitism charge without which none of this would have happened, the momentum statement did not categorically deny this. Rather it denied that any of the incidents taken on their own amounted to it - obviously leaving open the possibility of someone saying that these (falsely created situations) could be put together later if someone wanted to bring back the charge of antisemitism and hence why the paper by Jews who are members and supporters of Momentum concentrated on the reality that she is not an antisemitie. Jackie herself last I heard was not even invited to the meeting where they made these decisions.

As I said I have not got to the bottom of it yet. However what is emerging is some tie between both the chair of Momentum, the man from the Union which threatened on removing it's backing if they did not remove her and one of the senior people in the Jewish Labour Movement. Momentum also recommended the Labour Party should not again suspend her for antisemitism so there may be some sort of deal done there - or there may be something else concerning a couple of people in high position related to Momentum who are supportive of the goals of the JLM which is affiliated with Israel, took over just at the time when Blairites changed the position of Labour from a party looking an working for conflict resolution between Israel/Palestine to what we have seen since then as illustrated here http://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness.

The Jewish Labour Movement has put out a call for more members making it clear that they do not mind if people are not Jews. This is not an argument about antisemitism. It is an attempt to make antisemitism something of a totally different order to racism of any other kind - to make criticism of the state of Israel antisemitism. As such it is work trying to turn the UK into a totalitarian state and using the call of antisemitism to do that. Not surprising then that Jews who do not agree with this have come up with a new term to describe what is happening in the UK - 'Weaponising antisemitism' and further are using the word 'racism' more and more including within that antisemitism.

 

Alexa, Personally I think the Jewish Labour Movement should be renamed the Zionist Labour Movement. My understanding is Zionists who aren’t Jews are allowed to join, while Jews who aren’t Zionists are not.
Ms Walker’s words were spoken in a ‘safe space’ environment – a so-called training event in the Labour Party Conference – where she should have been able to say anything she liked without fear that it would be publicised. In my opinion the fault, for the recording being made and released to the Daily Telegraph (if I recall correctly) lies entirely with the JLM.

You might find this interesting:

https://cultureandpolitics.org/2016...s-the-zionist-attempt-to-make-ethics-illegal/

 

From your article

You might like some of the tongue in cheek criteria in this piece by David Schnider as to whether you are an antisemite This is the definition given which Jackie Walker says she agrees with.

https://cultureandpolitics.org/2016...s-the-zionist-attempt-to-make-ethics-illegal/[/QUOTE]


I completely agree with you about the Jewish Labour Movement. I had no idea until this that that was what it was. To be honest I had not even heard of it but had I done so I would have thought it was an open organisation for Jews which as you say is not so. They are the people trying to get the power to reassert what antisemitism is. The problem I think is not just BDS but the reality that the UK first to ditch the EWDA and the first people to do that were academics due to its interference on free speech,but the whole of Europe has ditched the so called European Working Definition on Antisemitism created in the US behind closed doors and as we know and was made clear among Jews protesting this particularly I think on Free Speech on Israel this is a definition which has intrinsic to it that it is antisemetic to criticise Israel - something which after our academics had decided to put it in the bin a Jewish academic, funded of course, went to our courts claiming that criticism of Israel was antisemetic as Israel was part of his identity and people being critical of Israel hurt his feelings - and he lost. That I think was the first attempt to reinstate the EWDA. This is the next. and you are very correct that the only people who are allowed to join the JLM are Zionists and it does not matter if they are Jews or not. I further think it is well worth noticing that this organisation, taking over from an earlier one came into being a year before Blair convinced the EU to give up on conflict resolution in Palestine/Israel, to name Hamas a terrorist group - the naming of which made it impossible to talk to them and hence made any hope of a just settlement there impossible as was known by those working on solving the situation. Hamas were a key player - make them a terrorist group and continuing to work on Oslo is dead leaving Israel free to do whatever she wants with a people who have no way to fight back in any meaningful way. I left the link in my previous post which goes into this. Prior to this time, Jews and non Jews alike in the Labour Party were strongly critical of Israel and determined that they were going to find a way for a just and fair settlement - the possibility of which was completely destroyed at a time when Alistaire Crooke was making headway with Hamas and getting to a point where they could be brought into negotiations.

Free Speech on Israel are one group who believe that The Jewish National Movement is incapable of coming to a non biased and hence acceptable definition of antisemitism which by it's name ought to be one agreed by and covering all Jews. This is neither.

http://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/leaflet-jlm-not-represent-labours-jewish-members/

More detailed here

http://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/who-are-jewish-labour-movement/

or more simply put in the letter of support for Jackie from the non JLM Jews who were at the meeting from which things were leaked

http://jfjfp.com/?p=87062

We can further add to the unsuitability of the Jewish Labour Movement to decide what is antisemitism by the reality that their new Director is an Israeli whose previous job was with the Israeli Embassy and who went with a team from there to Cameron to work out how they could stop boycott and deligitimisation of Israel from taking place in the UK. Brilliant democracy we are if this is the way things are done!

As your article mentions Cameron tried to fulfil his part of this by trying to ban local counsels in England from boycotting settlement goods. I know one of these at least have reached the court which had not decided last I looked so I am not sure what the situation is there. It does not affect Scottish Counsels who have been doing this since 2009.

I think one of the earliest things they hope to bring in is that it is antisemetic to be a non Zionist. I heard a retired British man living in Israel politely stating how that was so early on in this campaign. Of course Jackie Walker is an antizionist as is Tony Greenstein who impressed a lot of people when he was on a Sunday Morning program arguing against the position of JML and the Labour Party. He then was suspended for antisemitism without a reason being given.

Of course the problem is that people are still absolutely terrified of being called antisemetic that many will go along with anything rather than risk that. I do intend on writing to someone in the House of Commons on this. I do not have a Labour MP there being only one in Scotland, so I am thinking who to send it to but it will be a member of the SNP. The sad reality is that MP's on the whole seem to be extremely ignorant. At the same time we must remember that all but I think it was 12 of the backbenchers voted to recognise a Palestinian State. It is obviously imperative for Israel to try and make any ideas which could move in that direction and further antisemitism. I have also read that after Brexit Israel has some fears about the EU - it was after all Britain who got them to agree to make Hamas a terrorist group and to stop working for a resolution of the conflict. I seem to remember a year or so ago the EU removed Hamas from the terrorist list - I am not sure she has been put back on.

Your point about the attempt to present Britain as being ripe with antisemitism. Yes that is true and began after the 2014 attack on Gaza led by the Campaign against Antisemitism a new pro Israeli and I think Israeli funded group who stood with Israeli flags when they introduced themselves and whose work has been discredited by everyone including the Pew Foundation but who Theresa May has chosen to believe despite this. I have to believe that is a choice given the amount of criticism of their work there was from Jews and genuine Jewish groups. She must have heard it was not a professional work but a report deliberately presenting an untrue picture.

I have read the rest of your article and agree with certain points and may look at some of your links later but for the moment I want to keep this focused on the issue of antisemitism and the reality that the attempt is being made to create a definition of antisemitism which does not allow for criticism of Israel and that this is being done in the name of Jews but is most certainly not in the name of all Jews but rather strongly Zionist plus Blairte or even God help us some people who know little about the situation but do not want antisemitism and imagine that this is what this is about.

The issue they are trying to get through is that Israel is part of what being a Jew is so to criticise Israeli is to criticise them and hence antisemetic - something which as I said our courts have already ruled is not the case. Basically they are trying to turn around the old play that it is antisemetic to say Jews were more loyal to another country - Israel- than to their own and instead saying that to not believe that Israel is more important to Jews as it is part of who they are is antisemetic.

It seems like an attempt to do to us what was done to the US in the 60's.

Free speech on Israel gives this list of what it considers to be antisemetic.

http://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/about-us/

 

sorry, I made a mistake and put in your link for David Schneider. Here is the correct one.

https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/780107628500381696

 

This is a very full account of "The Lynching of Jackie Walker"

read on

(Tony Greenstein is a British anti Zionist Jew)

 

I don't think you get it. Anti-Semitism is everywhere... even where it isn't LOL.

 

There is very real antisemitism. However what we are seeing in the UK at the moment is an attempt to conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism - that is an attempt to remove from British subjects the right of free speech on political matters. That of course is a very real danger of tyranny. The other and equally important danger is that by equating real antisemitism with criticism of Israel there is a danger that work against genuine antisemitism is seriously weakened. Frisk said some years ago if the attempt to equate antisemitism with criticism of Israel continues a time will come when it will be seen as a virtue to be called antisemetic and then the real antisemites will come out of the closet. I think we may be beginning to see this. It is essential that the two are kept separate in order that two rights may be protected. The right of Jews to be free from genuine antisemitism - our commitment to being a non racist society, a society which does not pick on minorities Jews or others or blame Jews for anything Israel gets up to on the one side and the right in a democracy to free speech and intellectual argument in this instance on political issues.

 

An added bonus laugh is the fact that all the droning idiots who whine about special snowflakes needing safe spaces are entirely mute when zios do that very thing right in their faces.

 

LOL

Anyways, the plot thickens.

This is certainly worth a read:

UK anti-Semitism report tries to whitewash Zionism
http://www.redressonline.com/2016/10/uk-anti-semitism-report-tries-to-whitewash-zionism/

And you can read the actual report here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmhaff/136/136.pdf

 

That was worth a read, thanks. I hope more begin to see the nonsensical, racist, and bigoted propaganda which the zios barf up 24/7 and foist upon all before it but given the easy way in which lies can be planted, take root, and become accepted truth in all manner of aspects of society it may be an unrealistic hope.

 

This is a good article particularly from around How Not to Define antisemitism /The Jewish Labour Movement

http://jfjfp.com/?p=87629

 

I think I'll set up an exit counselling service for liberal zios who cannot stand by the diabolical lies and cover-ups on behalf of the settler-colonialist state any more.

And for the right wing zios:

 

I think I had better warn you for topical use only, you are in danger of becoming classified as a criminal. Zionist is a dirty enough word, never mind ZIO

http://jfjfp.com/?p=87748

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/6-author/asa-winstanley/


Only 59% of British Jews last year claimed to be Zionists. I would imagine it will be less by now.

Britain really is standing on the edge of a McCarthy era. Criticising Israel illegal. Mentioning Zionism criminal. Must be a dreadful thing this Zionism if it's name cannot even be uttered but as the writer above said, No, that will not stop people. What needs to happen is for people to understand why Zionism is such an insult.

Some believe the word should be given up

http://jfjfp.com/?p=87764


Unlike the Chakrabarti Report which took into account information and statements on anti-Semitism from all of our Jewish Groups who are critical of Israel, the Home Affairs committee was completely one sided - mainly Tories, almost all belonging to some Israeli group and so on. As the introduction to the link below says, they did not even consult " Antony Lerman, the UK’s most renowned authority on antisemitism in the UK" (needless to say he is critical of Israel.)
http://jfjfp.com/?p=87583

I have massive respect for the main critics who are Jews themselves, Jews who see themselves in danger of being called anti-Semites for their political views and being deprived of freedom of speech. Jews who want to see the humanitarian values of Judaism coming to the fore again.

 

Re-education camp for me.

Where, despite the fact I was taught by Jews how to communicate effectively (including the use of 'zio' as insult), I will be instructed by gentile liberality in how to not communicate anything at all ever again in order to 'fit in'.

 

Jackie Walker is herself Jewish and it may be hard to be anti-Semitic and against her own ethnic group. Walker only alleged Holocaust Memorial Day commemorates only Jewish victims and she may be calling for more inclusive Holocaust Memorial Day. Sometimes you need to have the courage to criticise your own culture, if it's too ethnocentric.

[video=youtube;pZcRjGyKAT4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZcRjGyKAT4[/video]

 

She's not alone in feeling that memorializing the millions of innocent individuals who suffered so dismally should be more inclusive as, for what it's worth, a poll done by the ADL found that:

EXCERPT "Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."CONTINUED[1]

Because I've only cited excerpts from the polls findings, I would encourage readers to review the entire article.

According to the poll, Billions of people around the world believe "the Holocaust is a lie, a myth, a hoax, a conspiracy by those with a political or ideological agenda.”CONTINUED[2]

If I'm interpreting the Poll correctly, roughly 1/6 of the planet" "... simply did not believe the Holocaust happened."[2]





[1] ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “ Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

But that figure speaks to only those who have heard of it: Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts. Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."
- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted"CONTINUED



[2] “Did the Holocaust Exist?”
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...ary-number-of-people-say-no-or-not-even-aware
EXCERPT “Half of the people in the world have never heard of the Holocaust, ADL found.
And in the other half – the ones who have at least heard of the Holocaust and the truth that Adolf Hitler ordered the deaths of 6 million Jews – a third of this group simply did not believe the Holocaust happened. To this group, the Holocaust is a lie, a myth, a hoax, a conspiracy by those with a political or ideological agenda.”CONTINUED

 

Hahaha.