Royal Air Force Pilots Ordered To Shoot Down "Hostile" Russian Jets Over Syria

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  1. Jeannette

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    Washington only likes to destroy other countries... although one never knows with Clinton. Even the sanctions, they were supposed to hurt Russia, but what they did was destroy the EU while making Russia more self sufficient in the process. But the Europeans are idiots anyway. They will never recover the Russian market and will be forced to sell themselves to the American corporations in the end.
     
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    Actually I should have said missile offense instead of defense. The point is that Syria is totally protected on all sides... even from the Caspian Sea.
     
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    Anything Russia shoots off will come from subs, so how can the US know who the aggressor is?
     
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    Until oil prices dropped through the floor. Russia - whose oil sales account for 70% of her export revenue - needs oil to be $105 a barrel or more to stay afloat. Right now it's half of that, with no sign of going up anytime soon - barring some unforeseen crisis that disrupts production (hmmmmmm). For every dollar the price drops, Russia loses about $2 billion. And it gets worse if your neighbors ain't buying what you're selling.
     
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    Not many have SSBN's - they're a little on the expensive side. Six countries have them, in fact - US, Britain, France, India, China and Russia. If it came from the water, we know who did it - just like you would if it was headed for Russia. Add to that the fact that it would not reduce our ability to retaliate one iota (the reason SSBN's exist at all), and we go right back to the original point.
     
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    What does any of that have to do with the founding of the United Nations, you know, the subject under discussion? It has nothing to do with the founding of the United Nations..oops.
     
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    Why? What country has Israel invaded and illegally annexed? If you are referring to Palestine, Palestine is a territory. It's part of Israel. It's not a country. A territory isn't a nation, a territory is a portion of an nation. There is a big difference.

    And what government is the US trying to over throw exactly? Please do be specific. If you are referring to Syria, the US wants a political solution to the Syrian civil war. The US does not believe a military solution can cure what ills Syria. Russia and the Assad regime think a military solution is the solution to Syria's ills. That's the difference. Assad and Russia think if they can just kill and terrorize enough Syrians they can restore Assad to power. The US doesn't believe that's a realistic solution. So you have two sides, one, the US and allied nations side wants a political solution. Assad and Russia want a military solution and to reinstate control Assad as dictator. The US and allied nations don't think that's realistic because Assad caused the revolt. His brutal regime and his murder of innocent civilians sparked the civil war. So it's difficult to see how Syrians would welcome him as dictator. Syrian rebels don't trust Assad, and for good reasons. Assad has too much blood on his hands. He has murdered too many innocent Syrians.

    Russia and Assad have tried for 5 years now Assad and his Russian ally have tried to suppress the civil war with military power. Assad has used weapons of mass destruction against innocent men women and children. They have intentionally bombed hospitals and civilians and still no peace. Assad caused the civil war and for 5 years he has been unable to suppress it, even his military superiority and with Russian support. The rebels don't have air forces. I guess some people are slow learners.

    Unlike your beloved Mother Russia, the US has not lost a single person in the Syrian Civil War, because the US is not a combatant in the war. It never has been.
     
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    MIND YOUR OWN EFFING BUSINESS FOR CHRIST SAKE!! You warmongering loonies are so deluded you're dangerous by your rabid nationalism. You really have got some bloody chutzpah to accuse other countries of 'aggression'!! :wall:
     
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    I couldn't help laughing at our useless defence secretary Fallon in pompously announcing '“It’s being marked every step of the way by the Royal Navy and ships and planes of other Nato members as well,” Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said in a statement." 'marked every step of the way'? I mean WTF for? Do the fools think Putin is going to order a pre-emptive strike or something? :roll: Jesus these creeps who have more power than they ought have so little self-perception it's embarrassing for the rest of us. Reminds me of the movie 'The Mouse That Roared'? Check out the photos in the link - it they don't give the loonies food for thought, nothing will!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...h-Channel-TODAY-way-launch-strikes-Syria.html
     
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    I certainly am impressed, but I'm also aware that big isn't necessarily better? Someone has to direct the action, and I have zero confidence in our politicians to do it wisely.
     
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    LOL...and you seriously think that makes sense comrade? Yeah, let beloved Mother Russia illegally invade, occupy, and annex the lands of its weaker neighbors. Poor little Mother Russia being forced to comply with international law, how terrible.

    Mother Russia has never been a state where rule of law meant anything, but at some point Russia needs to learn the rule of law for her own benefit. You can attempt to scapegoat, as you have, as Mother Putin has, but unfortunately for you and your beloved Mother Russia the world isn't as dumb as you need them to be. The only war monger here are you and your Russian comrades.
     
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    Your fantasy novels do not have to real events relation.
    Reality - San Francisco Conference - International Conference, held from 25 April to 26 June 1945. The conference was attended by 50 States who were the founders of the United Nations Organization. The conference was convened on behalf of China Taiwan, the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union and the United States.
    1939 - the last year of the "League of Nations".
    But I'm not surprised ... After all, your source - Wikipedia. :roflol: :roflol:

    Russia - successor of the USSR. Therefore, for example, Russia was responsible for the debts of the USSR. And of course, as the legal successor of the USSR, Russia - a permanent member of the UN Security Council. With the veto. Russia does not need someone or consent in this regard. And it is a fact. :roflol:
     
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    The fact that Russia was not the aggressor. Therefore, Russia has no aircraft carriers. They simply do not need her. Carriers - this last century. One rocket, costing thousands of times less can destroy an aircraft carrier.

    Carriers may be useful for the aggression against the primitive and weak countries. In the global war they do not matter. More importantly - nuclear submarines. Especially unmanned nuclear submarines. Or a system like the system the "Status".
     
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    Unfortunately for you comrade, facts do matter. Per previously referenced materials, the Soviet Union didn't create the United Nations has you had asserted. The UN was an idea started by the US after WWII. That's one of the reasons why the UN is located in the United States and not Russia.

    Russia is a permanent member of the UN because the US along with other countries made it so. As you should know, the Soviet Union disintegrated in 1991. Russia was one of many countries which were formed after the demise of the Soviet Union. Any one of them could have rightfully claimed to be the rightful successor state.
     
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    Jesus Christ,what man can write without a shame....man ,oh man..And how is a living on the Moon?Good I suppose...
     
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    LOL...unfortunately for you comrade facts matter. The truth maters. :)
     
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    The other reason being that the United States always has to be in charge of world affairs - which would be okay if you were competent enough to be in charge, but the reverse is true - you f**k up everything you get involved in. Jesus, what have you become since the era when you were admired and respected worldwide, and especially by me; now I have nothing but contempt for the US.
     
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    That sounds like envy to me. Contrary to your assertion the US has been and remains a very successful country. It's not perfect, but no one and no country is and unlike your beloved Mother Russia, the US has never said it was perfect. It's just the biggest and most powerful country on the planet. Unfortunately for the US is still admired and respected worldwide.
     
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    But in the comment above you said that the Americans have come up the United Nations in 1939. :roflol::roflol:
     
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    The Kuznetsov was built as a missile cruiser with a flight deck for aircraft, it apparently still has the missile tubes, but if it looks like a carrier & it is used as a carrier then it's a carrier. If memory serves me correctly the reason was a restriction on aircraft carriers passing through the Bosphorus so another classification was required.
     
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    Russia will certainly have to build replacements ASAP but they will have to be nuclear powered.
     
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    It isn't, it's bad news everywhere and you're not wanted! WTF don't you understand that?
     
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    Yes, and I gave you the supporting references. Facts matter comrade.
     
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    Which, in true Putinista fashion, you are consistently short of. Simply repeating the same jingoism over and over does not make it true. It might work in Ol' Mother Russia, but not so much in reality (unless you're a Trump voter).
     

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