U.S. Tells UN Security Council: Israelis in West Bank Creating One-state Reality

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not my problem.

    the Jews became the majority population of Jerusalem by the 1880s, according to the Turks.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    there are no Arab settlements in Israel.
     
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    Most Zionists support 2 states in theory - it can't happen. Zionism is a racist ideology based on Jewish exclusivity/exceptionalism not shared sovereignty. It would leave racist Israel intact. The only viable solution is a single, pluralistic democratic state.
     
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    What is the UN going to do? Invade? Good luck with that, Israel is no pushover insurgency, they have serious weaponry, nukes even.

    If Israel tells the UN to get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed they basically have no recourse.
     
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    two state solution can happen.

    Israel even encouraged it before 1967.
     
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    I disagree. Israel just plays lip service.
     
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    it was an official statement made to the UN by their Foreign Minister,
     
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    Israel is an expansionist state that has no interest in peace and reconciliation.
     
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    What is the problem with settlements? Arabs live in the Jewish state, why can't Jews live in the Arab state? This territory is Jewish historical homeland whatever Unesco has to say about it.
     
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    Very nice. Yes, let the people who once owned the land be booted out by a bunch of people who themselves have been playing the persecution victim card for the past 70 years or more.
     
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    Who owned this land? There have never been a Palestinian State.
     
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    most of the land in Palestine was not owned by the Arabs, but by the Ottomans.
     
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    Try that crap in, say, Dallas for example and check back.
     
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    You know, that is absolutely irrelevant today.

    Today, we have people who own their property in West Bank and Israel is bulldozing their homes.

    Stupid comments about the Ottomans do not even come CLOSE to justifying what Israel is doing.

    Today we see ethnic cleansing. Today we have Israel imposing Israeli MILITARY law on Palestinian citizens of West Bank - law in which they have no representation. Today we have Israeli occupiers in West Bank taking the water rights of Palestinians who have lived there on their property since birth.

    That is criminal and has nothing to do with what America stands for OR believes in.


    What Israel is doing is criminal whether you believe in one state or two, whether you think the bible is how we decide national boarders or not.

    Israel is breeding hatred. Even the head of Mossad has stated that what Israel is doing is a foreign policy problem for America.
     
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    The only thing that's criminal is stressing both peoples out every day year in year out by doing the eviction so slow. It's causing great harm to mostly the Palestinians too. Only a couple of million are even there, no economy, no military , no prospects for either. We should help them resettle to other Arab States. American values? We run amok over there meddling in everything directly contradicting what our country was founded on. So why do we pretend to care about Palestine? If we cared we'd help them move on and prosper.
     
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    That monumentally disgusting - suggesting we help Israel carry out ethnic cleansing? Then what? Israel strengthens their apartheid?

    What the HECK part of America do you think supports that kind of total BS???

    America stands AGAINST that kind of criminal behavior, and YOU come along thinking we should HELP??
     
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    Ethnic cleansing would involve a REDUCTION in the population of that ethnicity. West Bank and Gaza has some of the highest natural population growth of Arabs in the world.
     
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    It is the act of removing people of a particular ethnicity from an area.

    "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group"

    It isn't necessary to drive them across a particular border.

    If they killed them, it would be genocide. They aren't doing that.
     
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    Sounds exactly like what the Palestinians and international community are trying to do when they ask Jews to leave the West Bank.

    It isn't necessary to lead the ethnically cleansed people across a border between countries, but it is necessary to drive them out of a certain area. Do you have any statistics regarding rendering of areas in West Bank and Gaza ethnically homogeneous by removing Arabs? Or maybe we could talk about rendering Gaza ethnically homogeneous by removing all Jews, and what it led to...
     
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    More stupid Obama/Clinton tactics.
     
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    In the area of the West Bank and Gaza, natural population growth among the muslims is near the highest in the world.
     
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    First, they illegally on land stolen from Palestinians who owned it, farmed it, etc. Requiring them to return what they stole seems quite logical.

    Even Israel has lists of illegal settlements of Israelis in West Bank. That is, Israel agrees certain specific settlements are illegal. The Bush "roadmap to peace" that Netanyahu signed required Israel to remove illegal settlements before negotiations took place. Netanyahu started to do that, and then ended doing that long before meaningful progress.

    Next, having them leave isn't necessarily a requirement. It IS required that all people within a national border are fully subject to the laws of that nation. When borders change, those inside a new nation become citizens of that nation.

    A logical resolution might include those occupying settlements to decide to become citizens of Palestine or to return to Israel. The Israeli government helped fund these settlements, so maybe they can pick up some of the financial loss. Also, they could try selling to permenant residents of Palestine.
     
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    I think you mean Palestinians.

    But, what's your point?
     
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    Ethnic cleansing involves a reduction of people of a certain ethnicity. Gaza and the west bank Muslims have some of the highest natural growth rates in the world.
    The only place ethnic cleansing is involved would be Gaza where the jews have been 100% ethnically cleansed. JUST as the Palestinians insist that the Jews be ethnically cleansed from the West Bank.
     
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    Come on, guy. That's already been proven to be nonsense.

    But, you add a new twist, suggesting Palestinians would do the same thing. But, they aren't, obviously, and they would be opposed in doing that, just like Israel should be opposed.

    Beyond that, many settlements and settlement extensions in West Bank are considered illegal by the Israeli government. So, THEY agree that some solution to their theft must be designed.

    In the end, what Palestine wants is to have its own secure borders, within which Palestinian law applies to all residents.
     

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