Could anybody explain us those Jésus' teachings, please !

You incessant mere assertions are boring.

You have no credibility. None at all.

 

Do I need to take it down a few grades so you can understand it?

But nice to see you have no real response to God created all, including hell and sin.

 

It always works for the Christian. However, I've noticed that the non believers find it necessary
to "interpret" the Bible and make up what they want it to say.

 

Yes, let's get into it. The Bible isn't to be interpreted. It means what it says. There are different
translations and the only ones that are in error are the ones that "interpret" instead of translate
the scriptures. The New World Translation is one.

The other things you mentioned have nothing to do with interpreting the Bible.

Let's get into it, but with a kind spirit of discussion.

 

Oh good grief. We're talking about interpretation not your opinion. Please stay on topic.

 

There never will be a "real communist state" which treats all men was equals because no such can ever exist. Its impossible, its completely contrary to human nature. Communism is nothing more than a scam for a select group of people to gain total power by fooling gullible people into believing a fairy tale.

Claiming the leaders of communism were barbaric but claiming communism is not barbaric is childish. Who is going to implement your "real communist state"? The same types of people who implemented it in the USSR and Red China and Cambodia and Vietnam, the same types of people who sold the people on a fairy tale and then butchered and enslaved those same gullible people.

 

The bible tells when jesus was executed in relation to passover
When wad that... before or after passover?

 

"The target marker flares looked quite pretty floating slowly down in the night sky" my mother told me about a Luftwaffe raid on her home city of Leicester (England) in Nov 1940 when she was 18.
She and her family survived without a scratch but others were not so lucky.
And Germany was also building an atomic bomb and a bomber to clobber New York with it.

"I completely lack the bombers capable of round-trip flights to New York with a 5-ton bomb load. I would be extremely happy to possess such a bomber which would at last stuff the mouth of arrogance across the sea."-Hermann Goering






And let's not forget the Japanese-


The moral is Britain and America and their allies could have turned the other cheek but they didn't, we did D-Day, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to settle their hash, and only God knows if we were right or wrong..

 

I can tell you that as a former lawyer, this level of disagreement among witnesses is actually quite normal and not unexpected at all. It's only when everyone AGREES that you have to start suspecting a fictional story, where everyone got together and said, "Okay, here's what we say."

 

It really hasn't. Islam really is an evil ideology because it preaches murder, violence, lying, cheating, and slavery. Christianity is a positive religion that preaches the brotherhood of man. Thomas Sowell pointed out that ALL societies before the 19th century practiced slavery. It was ONLY the Christian West that outlawed it, for the first time in human history. Those that killed in the name of Christianity were bending it to their own aims. I read a book not too long ago (the name and author escape me now) by a woman who said that humans are naturally given to division and war, and that all the differences between us are just excuses for division and war, whether it be race, color, ethnicity, religion, or geographic territory. She said where there are no differences, we'll make some up just so we can have division and war, and gave several examples of situations where essentially identical groups dreamed up differences between them just so the us v. them mentality could be preserved. Our closest relatives, the chimpanzees, go to war over nothing at all. So don't blame Christianity for the deaths of millions, blame human nature.

(I am not immune, by the way, but at least I'm aware of the situation.)

 

Good grief. These are facts quoted by the Bible. Not my opinion. Please study them.

 

Don't see your point. Communism isn't barbaric. Communism stems from human thoughts. It is people that perform acts and deeds of communism. It is people that set up communism and run states. It isn't the doctrine, it's humans. The barbarity is the result of human acts.

 

Then as a former lawyer you would dismiss the case for the birth of Jesus? We have 2 supposedly impeccable witnesses who have 2 different stories. The evidence shows that both stories can be proven incorrect.
I ask for the case to be dismissed M'Lud.

 

You claim communism is good but it can never be implemented because people are flawed - communism is unrealizable, if it cannot be realized then it is a failed concept. And when it is modified into a realizable form it is so flawed as to be barbaric and murderous.

In other words, communism is unworkable, unrealizable, and cannot be modified into a realizable system. It is a completely failed concept. You are wasting your time promoting a pointless social order. You might as well argue that if Unicorns exist and if everyone touched their magic horns then there would be peace on earth.

 

Be Nice.

That's all it's saying, be nice to people, because God will judge us on that. God wants us to see Him in other people, and to treat others as if they were Him.

It's such a simple message that it's hard for us to accept, but that's it.

 

About the interpretations : Of course, there are many interprétations.

But the best interprétation has been given by the Archetype of the Perfect Believer in God : Jésus !

That’s why He Said : « 25. O foolish men! how slow you are to give belief to what the prophets have said. 26.Was it not necessary for the Christ to go through these things, and to come into his glory? 27.And he made clear to them all the things in the Writings, from Moses and from all the prophets, which had to do with himself. » Luke 24

Nowadays, the best Interpretation is given by the Archetype of the Christ Believer : P-A !

Remember that : Jésus Said : « Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death. » Logion 1.
...and Jésus Explained and Promised what is now happening : « 23.Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 25. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 .But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. » John 14

What does it mean ? It means that We can Understand and Pratice The Evangile for The Salvation, and Be Christic'S Followers Brought by The Spirit of Hope, Kindness, Fraternity...Able to Well Manage This World !

So, be Happy, because Jésus Comes back through His Pupil P-A and through all Christ’s Believers Who Recognize the Accomplishment of The Last Days’ Prophety, into a Christic's Solidarity !

Expl : P-A who is brought by the Holy Ghost, the hearthquakes (Italy…), and so many other things are Signs of The Time for The Ones Who Realize (Accomplish) their faith for The Rendez-Vous !

And Together in Christ, We are Going To Save This World ! Right ! ?

 

I don't remember saying communism is good. Of course it's unworkable in society. What I said was that it is the product of the human mind. The actions of Communism stem from the human being. People are barbaric. A system cannot be barbaric until it is put into operation by a human being.

 

He was crucified on the day of the preparation of Passover. The day before Passover.

And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before
the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council, who was also
himself looking for the kingdom of God, took courage and went to Pilate and asked for
the body of Jesus. Mark 15: 42-43
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+15&version=ESV

By the way, Jesus didn't celebrate Passover with his disciples the day before he was crucified.

 

John and mark disagree

 

Correction they are your usual cherry picked quotes and attempts to create facts. I've already
debunked your out of context claims, not the Bible's, and your extremely limited knowledge of
the Bible.

Where in the world is Jesus not mentioned as being born in Jerusalem? Where is David
mentioned as being born?

Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise
men from the east came to Jerusalem...

If you want to try to make Matthew 1 as a reference you're wrong also.

As far as Jesus going to Jerusalem they took him VIA Nazareth. It's not hard to
understand that fact.

 

Where are we getting muddled? Did I say Jesus was not born in Bethlehem?

There is no evidence that Jesus was born in Bethlehem Ephrata except the Bible. There was no reason for him to be in Bethlehem except for Matthew to fulfil prophecies from the Tanakh that have no relevance to Jesus at all. Neither was there any reason for him to be in Bethlehem for the reasons given by Luke. Roman law precludes that.

If I remember vaguely you once told me that they took Jesus to Egypt via Nazareth. As I remember I mentioned that going via Nazareth was rather stupid. Nazareth was 90 miles north of Bethlehem. So they went 90 miles north, turned round and went back where they had just come from, and where Herod's soldiers are supposed to be looking for him, and then on to Egypt. Good one. If they had just gone on a few miles farther west from Nazareth and they would still have been near home, but in Syria, out of Herods reach. They were no safer in Egypt. That was also Roman territory as was all the Middle East.

Luke tells us quite clearly that Jesus was taken to Nazareth after being circumcised and present at the Temple to be redeemed. That was about 8-10 days after his birth. He also tells us that he grew in wisdom and that his parents went every year to Jerusalem as Judaism required. Matthews Egypt quote quite clearly has nothing to do with Jesus if you study the Tanakh. It clearly talks about Israel being called from Egypt.

What has Matthew 1 to do with it?

If we take the 2 stories and put them together we have a real fairy story. Matthew trying to make Jesus fit OT prophecy and, if you've studied the OT, failing badly. And Luke, bless his heart, gets all his Roman law muddled up, and, if you study his story carefully, has all the descendants of David descending upon the small town of Bethlehem at once. Now given that David was 1000 years earlier, had many sons, who had many sons, who had many sons ad infinitum, picture hundreds of thousands of Jews, and their wives, descending upon this little town at once. I doubt Mary and Joseph ever made it, and certainly the shepherds would have been lost. And this mass 'migration' is mention where? Herod surely must have heard of it and wondered.
Did he not perhaps realise what had happened when the supposed wise men came?

Heavens above. Why don't people study these stories and their background. If we take Luke's story and apply it, as he says, to the whole Roman world, the whole of the Middle East would have been one big mess as all went to their home towns.

 

Prunepicker

How about divorce

Seems to me that the bible and christian practice are all over the map on the issue

 

Oh, this is good. Unfortunately you left out the prior verse which sheds light on those verses. First, let's look at it in the NIV:

39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward.
42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”

If a person even begins the path given in verse 39 and has some measure of success, much of this becomes known. Without such transformation what I am going to tell you will sound like "new age" or "occult" or other personal opinion. Yet all who so transform agree. They "see" what I am going to tell you.

"Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it" means any person (a "natural man" or other worldly person who believes their human "life" is what "life" is) who seeks to develop their human life, will eventually die the natural human death and so lose their "life". But he who "overcomes the world" in himself; overcomes his human nature; sees what lies beyond his human judgements, conclusions, beliefs, expectations, desires, purposes, hopes, fears, intentions, ways, "knowledge", and all claims, and thereby "dies to worldly self", finds his oneness of the True Self "for the sake of knowing Me", and so finds his (verse 40) True Life in oneness with all that is. Remember, "God is all and in all".

I know that's a "bit much" for many. But let's just go with it for a minute.

Given that as a "truth", the remaining verses are saying that similarly, if a person looks at a prophet and sees a prophet, the best he will do is to receive a prophet's reward. And he who sees a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward. And these because that person sees no more than what the eye perceives. Hence, he will live and die as the eye perceives. He does not know the True Self of All yet as his own identity.
But he who has love and compassion without judgements for others, -particularly a disciple, and sees him/her as such, then he has a different reward depending on his further spiritual growth. He is not stuck in the world as is a person who never sees beyond the world of matter.

 

I think you are confusing 'bible and Christian practise' with Judaistic practise and Christian practise. The subject of divorce is complicated by what is in Judaistic practise in the time of the OT, and what is actually in the OT. .

The only Christian practice you quote is from Corinthians.

Deuteronomy is supposed to be Jahweh's original instructions regarding divorce but it is simply a practise that was already known in Palestine when the OT was started around 700BCE

In Matthew Jesus is simply quoting what is found in Genesis 2:24

Luke and Mark are copying Matthew 5:32 but omitting 'except for fornication'.

In the OT we have the practise where a man who has a wife who has not given him a son within about 10 years, can divorce her and remarry. No, there is no ruling in the OT, but that was the practise. We see it in the life of Abraham and in the life of Elkanah - though he chose to keep Hannah as a wife.. It was vital to a man to have sons. At the time of Jesus the Jewish religious leaders allowed divorce for all sorts of reasons. Jesus was simply using the 'Bible' he knew, and the divorce teaching from it.

 

Being selective in what you "notice" will do that.