With Trump Win the GOP is DEAD

Competition in health care exists today under Obamacare - a system where insurance agencies and corporations design, sell and administer health care policies to all America.

Again, health care is not a product that can be fairly administered by totally unregulated for-profit corporations.

The reason is that there is no choice. Unlike other products, we ALL have to have health care, no matter what system we have.

 

It's not if its when. It's foundation is cracked like a house can't build on that. God knows they need a transition period and plan but even the drooling GOP writing legislation as we speak get that

 

for 5th time: competition is illegal, You cant sell insurance across state lines, for example. Imagine if each state had to produce its own cars. I know you are a liberal but is this really over your head??? I beg you to ask your mother to explain it to you.

 

Yeah, I think I saw that other poster making that claim.

 

The GOP is a political party. It's purpose is to elect its party's members. It will do whatever it takes to retain power and elect more members.

Conservatism is a political ideology. It's purpose is whatever the person claiming it wants to make it.

Small government ideology isn't dead. The GOP has a lot to sort out, but they are in power, so there's still that. I don't know bad it could be for them when they have control of Congress and the executive.

 

especially when the Constitution is designed to keep govt small.

 

No, Trump does not believe in small-government.

he will spend $500 billion or more on infrastructure.

he also may increase healthcare spending.

 

Just saw the Baer FNC pundits (most were not pro-Trump during the election) say that the Rep party has NOW never been stronger and the Demo party is in tatters!

 

Interesting. Leftists never get tired of being wrong. In 2008 the entire Left predicted that the GOP was going to be crippled and ineffective for a generation after Obama won and that conservatism was dead as a movement . . . and then the Tea Party kicked Obama's and the DNC's behind so badly in the mid-term elections that Barack was essentially crippled as president. Still, reading leftist predictions never gets old. They are always a hoot.

 

well, if the GOP follows Trump blindly, that means they must abandon free-trade, they must accept govt. funding of healthcare, and they cannot be blindly anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage.

Trump, is a casino-loving NYer who has NEVER come out on the side of conservative social policies, until last year.

that's 69 years of being a Moderate-Liberal.

 

Slate e-zine said it best today -- and bear in mind that Slate is uber-leftist -- a writer said that with Trump's presidency and the Right being in total control of the Legislative Branch and of most of the nation's governorships, as of last night leftists effectively have no MEANINGFUL POLITICAL influence anymore past the local city level. It's going to take a while, though, before the average loud talking leftist finally comprehends the dramatic shift in political reality.

 

Indeed. One of the first things Trump will do is begin systematically Penning and Phoning Barack Obama's Executive Orders out of existence one by one by one.

 

Wonder if he will also use 10 pens to sign his name (for posterity purposes?!) for each EO

 

Now that the ReThugliCan'ts have control of it all- the presidency, the House, the Senate, and the Supreme Court, any problems they have should not be blamed on the DumbasCraps.

Also, Rump inherits an economy much better than what Obummer inherited in 2008. Let's hope for no repeats like 2001 Saudi terrorists and stupid, expensive wars in retaliation.

 

Assuming congressional Dems don't block Republican proposals, it would be on us.

 

They might be, if we actually had that.

Having it is kind of a prerequisite though.

 

To be honest, unless it's atrocious legislation, I hope they are willing to have conversations and at least function as a Congress. I don't want yet another two or four more years of do-nothing obstructionism. It was stupid and childish when the Republicans did it, and it would be the same if the Democrats go that route in the future with Trump.

I'm not going to say that definitively since I don't yet know just what legislation will actually be put forward, but that is my general feeling and wish.

 

The OPer is arguing some alternative reality where up is down, left is right, and winning is losing.

Republican President, Senate, House, majority of governors and legislatures, and will define the Supreme Court for the next 25 years. Total sweep.

Who is DEAD is the traditional Democratic Party, running a pro-war, pro Cold War, big money, Wall Street, Big banks and global super rich elite insider.

The Republican Party has been shifted to a nationalist populist party. The Democratic Party has been shifted to an internationalist corporate party. The healthiest thing to happen to the Republican Party - as it also is no longer controlled by rightwing religious issues. Worst thing that could happen to the Democratic Party.

If the Democratic Party had any sense, it would WANT Clinton and her inner circle team prosecuted so the Democratic Party NEVER tries again to go down this path of ramming an ubber elitist neocon and big money shill down Democrats throats again.

 

Republicans are not conservatives. They tell conservatives what they want to hear... They use smaller government as a narrative that NEVER results in anything approaching it. No republican in my lifetime has shrunk govt an iota... Most expanded significantly. This is why trump was elected. We are tired of republicans giving us lip service. Trump is a total outsider. We will see if he can deliver smaller government.

See, all these "conservatives" have a segment of constituants on the government teat. Shrinking govt is a double edged sword, and these douchbags want to be reelected for the rest of their lives. So both sides are invested in pleasing their people with other peoples money. That is why the only difference between the two parties boils down to social issues, not ideology. Its a sham. For the first time in 100 years we have elected a non establishment tool.

You're welcome.

 

All that conservatism did, as practiced, was to turn the economy, the way it is structured to the banking cabal and MNCs, which eventually gave us trump due to the economic suffering and the loss of economic security for working and middle class americans. So, this part of conservatism needs to die for it devastated and hollowed out America.

Trump could make the GOP relevant again by turning them into a party that represented the average American, taking over what the democratic party once was, before Clinton destroyed the party that represented the working and middle class. But you would have to clean out the GOP of the treasonous bastards who sold us out to the elites, in which the dems joined in thanks to bill Clinton.

A open borders free trading GOPher could not have beaten Clinton. Only someone like trump, who is not open borders free trading on the GOP side could have beaten Clinton. Will the GOP realize this? Well, they know it, but they owe their elite donors far too much in order to support trump in his promises. This will be proven out, so watch it happen.

 

Considering they just won the Presidency, a majority of the Senate, and a heavy majority of the House, I think you're not only wrong, but delusional.

 

You do realize this means the Republicans have 100% responsibility for everything that goes wrong now. When your ignorant new president starts a trade war which hurts the misguided know-nothings who voted for him -- that's all the Republicans' fault. When the know-nothings wake up one day and dimly realize that Obamacare actually helped them before your ignorant new president and mean-spirited congress took it away -- that's all on the Republicans. When it dawns on the know-nothings that trickle-down still doesn't help them -- that's all on the Republicans. When your thin-skinned baby president takes us to the brink of nuclear war because a meanie insulted him -- that's all on the Republicans.

The Republicans have been good as bomb-throwers since 1994, but governing not so much. Well, this is entirely in their hands now. No Democrats to blame. One-party rule. Ask Kansas about that.

 

Don't be so bitter. Hillary kept talking about glass ceilings being broken with her, but she ended up just being shattered. The real glass ceilings were on the Trump side. He is the first private citizen to be elected with no prior political experience. AND Kellyanne Conway is the first female campaign manager of a winning presidential race. Not to mention that Republicans won big due to Trump's coattails.

 

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