Donald Trump & Australia

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The Donald Trump win really is some food for thought.

The UK have had Brexit, Australia has seen the rise of independents like Nick Xenophon and the resurgence of Pauline Hanson, even Europe has seen an increase in right wing politicians. I think although it's easy to focus on the racism and the hate, it's important we also try to understand other reasons these groups are growing in popularity.

In my opinion part of the fuel for this hatred, is also the need of the people for governments to start solving the issues within their borders.

 

You can see that here by the idiots spreading false propaganda of hatred

 

Well no I don't see it in the hatred, I actually see the people's need for domestic solutions in the large amounts of moderates who voted for Trump, if they didn't he wouldn't have been elected.

Trump/Pauline Hanson... other right wing politician's base, are the basket of deplorables... but when moderates start swinging towards this basket you need to question why.

 

You just answered your own question. Maybe not just the moderates, but many other people, are finally waking up to relaise that the president elect; Mr. Trump and Senator Hanson are not so deplorable after all.

Maybe many people are realising they need real people to start telling the truth like Mr. Trump & Senator Hanson regardless of how many feeling get hurt.

Its a sad day for humanity when do-gooder warriors bury the truth and facts by playing the victim mentality card.

No one can ever live their lives based on someone else's feelings - a simply impossibility, and thank God intelligent individuals like Mr. trump and Senator Hanson understand that.

 

There is always two truths, each has it's own truth rooted in their morals, ideals and values. It's the morals, ideals and values we are worrying about

 

Clinton is as corrupt as they come, and you talk about morals, ideals and values......pft....

 

I understand what you are saying. I am more concerned with "factual truth" rather than "emotional truth".

"Factual truth" like someone saying and proving to me there is a moon in the sky, and I can see it for myself as being the truth. I am tired of all the emotional bullcrap, and I am just not playing it anymore.

We are all human beings, but human beings also "'prey" on each other, and that's a fact.

We are not living in some fantasy utopia where everyone is best of friends, and running around kissing each others arse.

Its time to get real about the situation, and that is what I like about Mr. trump and Pauline Hanson - they don't try to sugar coat it, or pretend the human predatory instinct doesn't exist.

 

The reason why Trump and Hanson have popularity, is that everyone on the planet has had a gutful.
Thats why the poms voted yes for Brexit...thats why the protest vote got Trump elected...blind freddie
could see that Clinton was toast....31 out of 35 big cities in the USA voted for Clinton, yet Trump gets in
because the protest voters far outweighed the Clintonites...have a look at a map of the voting America...
its all red...Clinton only won 8 states....
People are fed up all over the world with what they can or cannot say, or what they can or cannot do.
The entire world is crumbling...as I said years ago, society is decaying...thats why we have so much
domestic violence in Australia...people just cant cope...theyve had a gutful...they cant even live together
peacefully any more....
Trump will kick arse....and I wouldnt be surprised to see Clinton impeached...the vile creature deserves
it 100%.....

 

so people are realising the right wing politicians are really good guys

I disagree too simplistic, I think it goes deeper than just the man or the woman

 

As doc holliday said "whatever do you mean"

 

Agree 100% mate. People are fed-up being treated like babies. Who the hell gives these people the right to tell other people "their" morals and ethics are better than anyone else's.

We were all BORN with the right to make our own choices without being forced to comply with someone else's moral codes.

How far have we devolved as a species when a person cannot even speak the truth, and say someone is fat, even if that person IS bloody fat. We should not be allowing these moron do-gooders to bury the truth, because someone will get hurt feelings.

 

Whats the median wealth in the US now, something like $45k versus here about $225k!! Middle USA has had enough of being the nice guy to the rest of the world in business and realized it was getting fat and lazy.

So... Trump is a salesman, tell ya what ya want to hear... and most of what he says outside of economics is utter nonsense and so needs to be taken with a grain of salt. If you didn't like what you were hearing, then you werent his intended audience on that day.

So they expected he'd be set straight on all that stuff once in power, but that he does know business and he'd be happy to push hard in that particular area in office - and that is what middle USA wants to change. They don't expect he'll get away with too much radical stuff in most other areas of governance, but they are afraid of slipping closer poverty and so are happy to give the clown a shot - and there is a lot of em and they've all got carbines and pistols and big 4WD's!! They'd be hard to seige as well with all that storage of carbs, they might last a few winters LOL

 

This isn't a right or left thing, as it has already been shown that a lot of the unions backed Trump, and corporate America backed Clinton. Crazy as that seems.

People are sick of being kicked for having an opinion that does not resonate with the self proclaimed righteous set. Look what is happening right now, the election did not unfold the way they wanted so riots in the streets. When somebody has the gall to disagree with the same fools they shout them down in a tirade of expletives ending with a claim of racism or sexism, or misogyny, or low IQ.

Here in Australia Pauline Hanson is called any number of derogatory comments, and it's fair game, but the moment she asks why we paying for countless illegal refugees but not looking after our pensioners, she is howled down as a racist by the same hypocritical fools. This is what the world is sick of. Being held to ransom by people who think they are better than others and all and sundry should follow their doctrine is why people are turning to Trump and Hanson. It's not that they like them in particular it is just that they detest the PC shackles that have been placed upon them.

You see a lot of sub 25 year olds crying in their Froot Loops That Snake Eyes Clinton didn't win because she deserved it. DESERVED IT ? Please...

This PC rubbish doctrine has been drilled into them from an early age through our education system and now we see them leaking into a media devoid of any ethics or morals pushing the same crap down our throats. By the time they turn 30 they start to see the world isn't full of rainbows and lollipops, and there actually isn't a tree that grows money, and the joint really isn't pretty. But they hold their ideals true until their little johnny is passed over for a job because there is female quota that must be met, or an indigenous one, or a disabled one. Even though little Johnny has worked hard and is easily the best candidate, he just isn't a indigenous disabled women. Then the penny drops.

This is why Trump and Hanson get elected. As hard as that is to swallow, human nature is human nature.

 

Throughout history whenever there is an economic downturn governments look for a scapegoat and start to fabricate and propagate. Hey when the economy is tough politics is tough so how do you win votes? Point the finger at minorities! Why minorities? Simple arithmetic should explain that!

Americans are a very fickle bunch of people! Their emotions kick in before reasoning gets a chance and then it's too late! I mean, look at George W Bush! You had to be out of your freakin mind voting him in and end up the disaster everyone knew. Trump is 10 times worse but yet the American people voted him in! It serves them right.

 

What would you know....

 

You're just jealous!

 

You could say the same thing about Obama. Not everyone believes the lefty democrat group think on Bush so don't be so sure. Bush hadn't been in even a year when 9/11 happened, and that changed everything about US strategy in the Mid East (including Iraq). It was Bill Clinton that did the damage which allowed 9/11 to happen - he gutted the US intelligence community eroding its effectiveness especially in the areas of inter-agency communication which turned out to be the weak link that could have avoided 9/11. So Clinton caused the fire which burnt the house down, but if you mean the GFC, well that wasn't his fault either... deregulation had been ongoing for years before he got in power. But you might be right about Trump

 

George bush's approval rating was down to 22%. Is that clear enough AT?

 

If you meant popularity, then sure. It's always tough to clean up someone elses mess.

 

https://newmatilda.com/2016/11/10/i...mp-the-election-youve-missed-the-point-again/

The author of this article makes some very good points. One point that sticks in my mind is that Bernie Sanders was shafted by the Democratic Party insiders and controllers and those that would vote Democratic Party had Clinton to vote for. I think they stayed home. Are the Yellow Dog Democrats finally done?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat

In that sense then Trump exposed the Democratic Party's reality. It's as right wing as the GOP, it's as pro-capitalist as the GOP, it's all the same under the skin.

There's irony here. Before the election we were reading about how Trump has destroyed the GOP. Well guess what, it looks very much to me as if the Democratic Party has destroyed itself. It destroyed itself when it shafted Sanders.

 

AT, I seriously think you have lots of good information and knowledge. It's your ability to reason that lets you down.

 

Hey Diuretic, this is actually a good couple of reads. I think it's easy to point the finger at this and that for the shock result. I guess people are over the hard times and are looking for someone to do something.
To be honest I thought it may have been the glass ceiling effect in play. Well I still think it had a bit to do with it.

 

LOL, you'd like to think that, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel like a big man. Don't go wrapping an insult with a compliment, it makes you look like a tosser. My biggest problem is rambling on tangents causing no one to bother reading!!!!!

eg. I think you put too much importance on popularity. Sure its needed to win, but in the US they only get 2 terms max anyway.... so reaching the end with low popularity does not necessarily mean a bad presidency. It's not running a bowls club, where the only things that matter are cold beer, working aircon and having the green mowed. It's a socialist fantasy to think everyone can be happy and therefore popularity is a good measure, its not. It is part of it obviously, integral to a functioning democracy. But I don't judge 'disaster' in the context of being 'voted in' as related to the metric of 'popularity'. It makes no practical sense. A disaster in that context is someone reaching the end of their term and having caused more problems then they had when they started, not being unpopular.... big whoop, popularity is not a measure of success. Bush didn't cause the problems in the Mid East, Clinton did. Bush didn't cause the GFC, Wall St did over several Presidencys. While Obama squandered the Arab Sping, let Syria fall apart, let China take over the South China Sea, let Russia expand into Europe and the Mid East... and that is just foreign policy. He did though let Israel have a pause from constant attack by letting Iran develop its nuclear program - I hope that works out well for Israel in the near future

If popularity is your measure of succes, then congratulations but that doesn't mean your 'right' and I have an inability to reason. LOL Sure you knew what you meant, but if your going to speak gibberish the don't accuse people of being low on ability to reason because they not in your headspace. Popular does not equal good... look at Obama, so very popular at the beginning and still sorta popular to some extent, he was an abject failure, perhaps the worst Pres in US history and indeed he lost it for Hilary more then Hilary lost it. They vote them in because they like em, trust em or think they are the better choice. While popularity is the measure to get past the gate, its not a measure of their success in office. So if we are going to be psychoanalyzing people, I think its your decision not to reason which lets you down, you just keep blowing kool aid bubbles of left rhetoric like it means something.

It is much more important for the left I know, because the attention spans are limited with their voters so its about emotion and groupthink and being popular, but once in the 'actual job' the measure of success should be the work done, not the perspective of the public. You know that though, and are just being argumentative because you just didn't feel like arguing about my points

 

With regard to the leftard carry on about Trump. Beware you do not lose the substance while reaching for the shadow - Aesop.