Lessons from This Election

Thanks, Map.

 

No disagreement about the electoral college, but for everything else it would have made more sense to vote a third-party candidate into office.

 

Agreed, that's why I tried.

Doesn't change the fact that the Democrats and the Republicans are broken and in my opinion this election proves it. Next problem we have are all of those they KNOW they are broken, but for some stupid a$$ reason continue to vote for them.

 

I learned about the "true" America. An America where almost 50% of the population hates women, any religion but theirs, and minorities, and wants to restrict rights based on gender, religion, and skin color.

I learned they admire a "man" who whines and cries about perceived slights and screams about a "rigged system" because he thinks he'll lose....then he wins....and then he ignores the " rigged system".

 

I learned that it was long overdue to cut the cable cord in my house. The MSM gave ad nauseam time and attention to Trump and it got to me way before the end of the election. They hung on his every word as if Gandhi or Abraham Lincoln had risen from the grave and were speaking words of wisdom. Even when the idiot was only doing telephone interviews, they would broadcast his red meat throwing gibberish.

 

What leads you to believe that the people who voted for Trump "hates women, any religion but theirs, and minorities, and wants to restrict rights based on gender, religion, and skin color." I understand that you feel Trump is that way, but why does that make the people that voted for him that way.

I don't believe all who voted for Hillary are liars, cheats, and incapable of understanding what confidential means.

If you will look around, you will notice we are living in a world where everyone "whines and cries about perceived slights". Remember this is the time in history when Trigger Warnings, and Safe Spaces came into existence; when people who don't like to hear what they disagree with just shouts louder so as not to hear people talk. A time when the thought of open dialog on topics is dying.

I wish you luck in the next 4 years and hope that those who voted for Trump don't regret it.

 

You:""What leads you to believe that the people who voted for Trump "hates women, any religion but theirs, and minorities, and wants to restrict rights based on gender, religion, and skin color."

The fact that they voted for him and cheered on his hatred. These things (gender, race, religion discrimination. approving sexual assault, ridiculing the less fortunate) affect people DIRECTLY. They show a complete lack of respect for our BASIC rights.

Clinton's emails whether right or wrong, and there was NOTHING wrong found with them, do NOT affect people directly.

I learned they admire a "man" who whines and cries about perceived slights and screams about a "rigged system" because he thinks he'll lose....then he wins....and then he ignores the " rigged system"....and that is fine for the average citizen but to admire it in a President is despicable.

 

I've learned, or better put, had reaffirmed for me, the reality that the electorate hasn't learned a damned thing about our political system, & that the promise of change still makes a great opiate laced carrot on a stick.

 

I've learned, or more like reaffirmed, that the ruling elite isn't as all high and mighty as they want us to believe. I've also reaffirmed that God truly does answers prayer.

 

Lol, I think some more moderate God fearing Democrats might disagree with that last bit.

 

Wrong. Violating the NISP jeopardizes national security. I'm glad she'll finally get the proper investigation as opposed to the one from her favorite campaigner.

 

I learned from this thread that another liberal thinks I'm a racist, sexist, misogynist, anti Muslim, anti immigrant, anti semite, xenophobe, homophobe, and too white.


And I didn't even vote for Trump.

 

Clinton has been found guilty of NOTHING...and Repubklan lies won't change that.

 

Oh we will see.

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I'm not sure if that's supposed to be a snipe against Christianity. If it is I don't care. I'm too excited and I'll let it go.

 

It certainly wasn't a snipe @ Christianity, I'm Christian after all.... Just saying, it was a real comment as to God answering the prayers of those praying for political outcomes. I'm sure there were God fearing Democrats that prayed Hillary would win is all, & that their particular prayers went unanswered.

 

As I pointed out, voting for a person does not make you that person. In an election of lesser evils people chose one and no matter who they chose they were getting evil; that doesn't make the people evil though.

Again also, the whining is nothing knew, both sides pandered to it for their own benefit. This time it just benefited Trump more.

There is no innocent party here. No matter which of the two were chosen we were getting cr@p and just because a person had to pick which pile of cr@p they liked best doesn't in turn make them cr@p.

 

Ok then. Sorry.

 

Just your opinion. There was no proof that Clinton had done anything wrong, just opinions and lies that these people you're defending took as truth with no proof.

No, the people who voted for trump are either the "know nothings" or just as nasty and evil as trump, hating anyone who isn't white and male.

 

Does this forum have eye rolling emojis?

And can I turn your logic around then, to say anyone who voted for Hillary hated everyone who is white and male? Because that's about as illogical as what you said.

 

Meh. The conservatives on this site, as a group, have been like that every election. They were wrong in 2008 and 2012, and right in 2016. Over the last 12 years, I've found this board to be a relatively poor reflection of the national mood -- skewing heavily older and right-wing.

The thing about statistical analyses is that they aren't necessarily wrong -- even if Hillary had a 99% chance of winning, maybe Tuesday was that 1%. But there will definitely be a lot of looking at how polls missed Trump's support -- looking at survey methodology as well as whether they did enough to reach groups that apparently weren't reflected in the polling. That said, it might simply be that many of Trump's supporters aren't regular voters, and so were excluded by the "likely voter" screens. And this year there were enough "unlikely voters" who voted to make a difference.

Yep. They're going to find it's easier to burn something down than to build it up again. And that Trump's simplistic solutions are ... simplistic.

I'm hoping for the best while expecting the worst. Maybe Trump is maverick enough that he won't just pull a Kansas, and let ideology win out over reality. Maybe he will actually try to govern for the whole country, not just his base. But I doubt it, mostly because I don't think Trump has any core values, or the interest in policy details. I expect him to simply outsource most of his thinking to other people, which means we're going to get ideologues and crackpots, not something consistent and reality-based.

The system isn't rigged, and I hope the fever swamps will let go of that particular conspiracy theory.

 

So the sins of the politician are the sins of those that vote for him/her.

Im sure glad you have never voted for a politician thats been accused of a crime.

 

Fox, I've been on this site long enough and even had some"lively" debates with you in the past to know you have more sense than this, so I'll chock this up to post election blues and talk with you later.

 

It's not 63 million. If Hillary won by 4 million votes, she would have won the nomination. Try a few thousand.

Here's what I learned: The arrogant, disrespectful and outright snobbish Left had been dealt the final crushing blow. For eight years, they had mocked and insulted us, and proclaimed us racist. Well, they got everything that they wished for. And you hadn't learned a damn thing.

Every 'Angry white man' quote is going to mobilize us. Do you understand that? No probably not. Your racism is altruistic, kind and pure right?

 

Not a problem. My posting style often comes off as snark. Admittedly rightly so most times.

 

You could if you had anything to back up your claim. But you don't. Just like no one was able to back up their claim Clinton had broken some laws..


You want to , in hindsight, whitewash every word Trump said....but he was voted in based on what he said ....so why don't you admit how proud you are of what he said?

Why aren't you proud of his denigrating women, blacks, Mexicans, Muslims...he did and you got him elected....why aren't you proud of why he was elected..???

He said, and there is video proof, that he could shoot someone in cold blood and his supporters wouldn't care....and he was right again .

When hate enters, decency flees...