Next, Trump must confront Nemesis.

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    His powerful breath caused nearly a score of the enfeebled GOP's canaries to keel over in the Republican primary.

    Ironically, he weathered what he had declared was a "rigged" election, and triumphed only via the electoral college system that he had identified as "a disaster."

    Now, whether he calls it bad names, shrieks that it is a "Liar!", incites his fanatics to punch and kick it, or threatens to to "Lock it up!", he won't be able to escape Reality.

    A few sobering observations:

    Trump delighted his fans by proclaiming the Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”) to be a “disaster” that he would immediately repel. Now he’s gently breaking the news to them that he will preserve its provisions such as prohibition against insurers denying coverage because of preexisting conditions and allowing young people to stay on their parents’ insurance plans to age 26. Now, Trump tells them, “Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced."

    And so, surrender to ineluctable exigencies begins.

    Trump declared NATO “obsolete,” instilling fear throughout Europe. Among the most fearful are Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. The former USSR conquests had joined NATO in 2004, infuriating Vladimir Putin whom Trump admires. (In 2014, Putin invaded and annexed Crimea, part of Ukraine, and our allies in the Baltics worry that he could target them next.) If Trump goes belly up in the face of Putin’s aggression, it’ll wreak havoc with the relative balance of power that has provided international stability for over half a century.

    Trump has threatened that The State will again seize control of the wombs of impregnated women as was their plight before the Roe v Wade compromise ruled that depriving them of control of their own bodies violated the Fourteenth Amendment. Trump may succeed in appointing right-wing activist judges to the Supreme Court, but Roe v Wade has been the law of the land for over 40 years, and the power of precedent is highly respected by those with a conservative philosophy. Such a radical about-face and retrogression is antithetical to such a judicial temperament.

    No vast “wall” is going to be constructed along the southern border. Even if The State were to seize private land from the citizenry by imminent domaine for such an exorbitant project, any objective cost/benefit analysis readily confirms that whatever percentage of those who enter the US illegally would invest in a shovel or conform to the common, alternative practice of entering the country legally and overstaying visas.

    Identifying, tracking down, apprehending, incarcerating, prosecuting, and deporting 11-12 million people is a monumentally expensive undertaking that would amount to a draconian ethnic cleansing on a vast scale, morally repugnant to decent people everywhere. You can forget it.

    The deep economic interconnections that have been forged under 23 years of NAFTA (that candidate Trump, in his typical hyperbolic fustian, had reviled as “the single worst trade deal ever approved in this country!") has resulted in a interdependence: The US, Canada and Mexico are now for all practical purposes a single, functioning, integrated economy. Any fantasies of a resurgence of well-paid manufacturing jobs is as fatuous as sharpening harpoons in anticipation of the revival of the whaling industry. ​


    The Trump is about to bring his novelty act hoopla into a venue that will not be entertained, patronized, cajoled, or manipulated: actual governance.

    Trumpies must soon get real.
     
  2. rickysdisciple

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    Wait, so you think this is a bad thing?

    Many of us came to the conclusion that much of his rhetoric was simply showmanship. That isn't to say that we didn't believe he had a general direction (one we agreed with), but his pragmatism is something that made many of us want to support him.

    In fact, I withdrew my support and stayed home because I was afraid that his persona was for real, but I'm now regretting that decision as he seems to be quite reasonable after all. His published agenda looks outstanding to me, and if he accomplishes even a fraction of it he will go down as one of the best presidents we've ever had.

    It looks like he is going to take a sober look at all of the issues on the table and take us in a different direction, with the necessary prudence to insure a smooth transition.

    If he stays tough on immigration, trade, and corruption, he will have my full support.
     
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    The reality is that Obama care is dying of it's own dead weight. It has to be replaced with something the only question is what shall we replace it with?

    The purpose of a wall is to delay, not prevent. It reduces manpower requirements. Technology to detect people digging under walls has been in existence since the Middle ages. it is vastly better now. He is talking mainly about removing the criminals among them, which I suspect would please many of the Latinos who are already here immensely. There is a reason 30% of Latinos actually vote for Trump.

    Well while you are right about that what will actually bring jobs back are dropping US corporate tax rates to the world average and a little lower and getting rid of rules and regulations that serve only as a means of enriching lawyer and that in point of fact save no lives and make no ones life better.

    Hopefully that whack between the eyes administered on election day to leftist Hubris will have a similar impact on their Republican crony capitalist cohorts in the house and senate.
     
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    :) Great post and true.


    Let's not forget how he was going to "drain the swamp" of Washington's establishment and now he's hiring all the firmly entrenched career politicians Creatures From The Black Lagoon like Gingrich, etc .
     
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    First, you Europeans start paying 3.3% of your nations' GDP on defense, like the U.S. does, then we'll talk. Or perhaps you could just pay it directly to the U.S. Treasury.
     
  6. Natty Bumpo

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    I merely note the realistic factors to be confronted. The disparity between an airy-fairy campaign wish list and the demands of practical governance pertain.
     
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    Can they also get to tell the USA to go fly a kite next time it starts an illegal war? Which given who you just elected may not be long.......

    Short term memory loss re coalition of the willing
     
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    Agreed.

    So far, it looks like the Trumpocalypse everyone feared will end up being a pretty moderate administration.
     
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    agree, I am hoping he becomes a new man as President, he has made a good start, but we still have 4 years

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    wouldn't that be great, I so hope that is the reality of it
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if "you Europeans" is yet another nativistic disparagement of Americans who evidence a cosmopolitan perspective, but negotiating a more equitable financial arrangement and raging that NATO is "obsolete" are disparate matters. Again, I expect that those far more aware of the compelling realities - such as Prime Minister May and Chancellor Merkel - will impress upon ingenue Trump the consequences of his irresponsible naïvité regarding his idol, Putin.
     
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    I certainly hope so. The fact that he wants to try keeping parts of Obamacare is encouraging. I've never believed in allowing poor people or really sick people to just die, so this is a step in the right direction.

    He's also struck a very conciliatory tone, and I think that is the right call.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if "everyone" feared that the reality tv performer's hysterical rhetoric ever had any chance of being realized, but many are fearful of the political ingenue's ascendancy.

    The current rash of back-stabbings and factional butchery amongst those who crave power in a Trump administration is only a precursor to actual legislative Sturm und Drang when all are not purportedly, on the same team: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-team-rivals-231277
     
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    Obamacare without the mandates is not Obamacare, despite the feeble attempts of filthy union PR sewer pipes and their branches in the discredited media to begin creating a "hypocrisy/sellout" lie narrative right out of the gate.

    Trump is a master negotiator, and Obama is terrified of losing his legacy. Trump's lip service is a smart position in furtherance of a smooth transition and even cooperation/healing with Obama that rational, objective people should appreciate in a POTUS elect. He SHOULD be flexible and consider softening positions, while maintaining the general gist of his policy planks.

    The media, and particularly the public union label and other LW special interest media should learn from its MONSTROUS, STUNNING defeat and perhaps LAY OFF the daily generation of this or that new UNSUBSTANTIATED lie narrative if they want to preserve ANY voice, ANY credibility whatsoever. In Trump's case moreso than any other in US political history, those lie narratives have proven irrefutably not only ineffective, but counterproductive. Will the sewer press learn it's lesson? Maybe some will, CNN is already capitulating in terror at the prospect of billions in lost revenue due to the limited access that propaganda source has earned.

    So the new question is, "will the propaganda press learn from their MONSTROUS errors over the last year and address thinking people instead of insulting them? or will they continue to fling poo and continue to lose." My bet's on the latter, and we can all use the LW topics on this forum as a weathervane.
     
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    I read the article, and it sounds like a total cluster(*)(*)(*)(*), but it's a pretty big task that has only just begun. We will see what happens.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    It really sounds like a perpetuation of the rancour within the GOP that gave rise to Trumpery in the first place.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The Trumpery flamers are now directing their jihad against Republicans.

    The extent to which the Trump regime is unable to form a workable liaison with the Republican-run Congress will define its ability to further its agenda.
     
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    Obama was in constant war for his 8 years----fiddling with Hillary on regime change the entire time, creating ISIS and making the world even more screwed up....and he won the Nobel Prize? What a joke!
     
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    Who cares about minor inter squabblings? The war of ideas should not just permeate campaigns and among party lines, but also in top administrations.

    I have to say, I am so happy the election is over and Trump is in. He should face a favorable congress.

    He is and will extend the olive branch to the democrats, why shouldn't he? He wants to represent all Americans, not just his constituents. This is something Obama NEVER did.
     
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    Wars he inherited from Bush
     

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