Police officer charged in fatal shooting of Philando Castile

http://m.startribune.com/ramsey-cou...nnounce-update-in-castile-shooting/401484635/

Officer Jeronimo Yanez faces three criminal charges for the killing of Philando Castile, Ramsey County Attorney John Choi announced Wednesday.

Choi said it was his conclusion that “use of deadly force by Officer Yanez was not justified.” Yanez was charged Wednesday with second-degree manslaughter and two felony counts of dangerous discharge of a firearm.

For those who don't remember this is the black guy who had a concealed carry permit. Good to see charges being brought up. This case definitely deserves a day in court.

 

Was this the guy with the gun in his lap?

Glad it get to go to court, for a full vetting of facts.

 

NO TRUMP JURY WILL ever convict. We need law and order, and he warned us.

 

Did he, in fact, possess a permit? Is that really a 100% verifiable fact?

Updated: It appears so.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philando-castiles-family-reveals-his-gun-permit/

 

Obama juries do, though? Interesting, I can name some pretty high profile cases that prove otherwise.

 

You don't seem to understand what you are unleashing.

 

this is a pretty stupid road to go down

 

Edit: worth noting that whether or not he had a permit didn't much matter since the cop blasted him before it could be shown. He did what he needed to do and was shot anyway. Anyone who believes in the right to carry should be watching this trial. It is important for anyone who carries to know if the cops are in the right for just outright shooting them or not when the carrier reveals that they are legally armed.

 

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Minnesota Officer Charged With Manslaughter in Castile Death (ABC) - ..."Ramsey County Attorney John Choi, whose office will prosecute the case, said Yanez shot Castile seven times, and that the evidence shows Castile was calm and complied with the officer's requests. Prosecutors believe Castile never tried to pull his handgun from his pocket, Choi said, adding that as Castile was dying, he moaned and uttered his final words: "I wasn't reaching for it."
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This is going to be a tough case. Even as damning as the public evidence appears, Voluntary Manslaughter will require a heighten level of evidence for a murder conviction.

 

I was just curious about one particular fact in the case. I don't defend cops when I can see clear evidence they were bad shootings, such as the Cincinnati college cop who shot the man in the back; or the killing of the autistic boy; or a black, female motorist in DC; or the reservist wannabe old timer who said he thought his gun was a taser.

 

Not problem, always good to ask ensure the facts are straight. I remember the permit immediately becoming an issue and the county adding fuel to the fire by saying they didn't issue him one. My big issue is that it didn't even get to the point where whether he had one or not was relevant. Unfortunately had he not had a permit it's likely this case never would have made it to trial. Any technicality on the permit may still let the officer off in trial, which IMO would again be wrong since it never got to the point where the permit could be shown.

 

I'm torn on this one.

While the SC one was a pretty clear cut case, there are some issues with this one.

From what I understand he had the firearm on his lap and appeared to be reaching for it (but was probably reaching to get his wallet). The cop that pulled him over was already nervous because they thought he had been involved in an armed robbery.

While he may very well be guilty, I don't think it's a case of the officer just wanting to kill someone.

I'll have to go back and look, a lot of the details are fuzzy to me.

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I don't think Trump has juries bro.

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Does someone say "Kraken" at the end of this discussion?

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Well, it's entirely possible that the county he got shot in wasn't the county that issued the permit after all.

 

We have no idea what happened before she turned on the camera.

 

that is why all cops should wear cop cams

if she has a camera and he doesn't, that is his fault

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If the states want it, they can have it. If the feds want it, put the cameras on the federal agents, but don't try to mandate it to the states.

 

then one should not whine about there only being video from the civilians side of it, the one the video backs is the ones word we should take

 

Absolutely 100% true. This case could set a landmark for the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms.

 

Carry permit does not mean have in your lap and reach for it( that will have to be shown).

 

I'm not torn, this needs to go to trial. The guy stated he was armed as legally required and made it clear he was not reaching for his firearm (in fact those were his last words). An innocent man was killed by law enforcement while attempting to follow the law. We cannot let this go without trial.

As for the press release about the permit it was an attempt to dismiss the shooting by stating that the dead man lied. Immediately people grabbed on to that to say "see, just another thug" rather than accept that this may be a real issue. I was very disappointed by the attempted dismissal and reaction by people who very much have an interest in seeing this case through, regardless of the outcome. If you carry you need to know whether precedence will be set that the police can kill you even though you comply with the law, or if that precedence won't be set.

 

Something for the discussion ....

Looks like Subsection 1 is the one that applies to this case.

 

All I'm saying is that I wasn't there. I don't really know what happened. Even the video doesn't start until AFTER he gets shot.

I'm also not saying it shouldn't go to trial, but I don't think this is a case of a cop just wanting to shoot someone either.

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That's the issue for me.

If someone has a gun in their lap and reaches towards it, I'm not waiting to find out what he's doing either.

But, then again, I wasn't there and there's no video of what led up to the shooting.

 

It all comes down to jury selection and whether the prosecutor decides to throw the case. All it takes is one typical suburban white juror and the killer cop walks.

 

This is crap.

I happen to live in the county that this happened. Based on my understanding of the case as well as my neighbors and friends the the jury will come to its conclusion based on the evidence presented.

Please stop with the "white suburban" crap your talking about my friends / family.

 

That's why the prosecutor was compelled to issue this statement:

Who do you think this was directed at? And I also qualified it with the word "typical".

 

I'm not going to say he was looking to shoot the guy, from what I've heard in the video it seems like he was amped up and unable to handle the situation. It's like when your convoy goes past a wedding and they start shooting into the air, only instead of continuing to go on your way you freak out and start firing into the crowd.

Edit: I don't disagree with you, I'm hoping we can get a fair trial based on the facts. That's all I'm asking for, nothing more nothing less.