Drought in California, how to solve the problem?

Zorro · Nov 16, 2016

politicalcenter said: ↑

I would love to get the plants in my pasture to develop roots 16 feet deep. Droughts would be much less of a problem. But I don't know how to achieve it. Dr Laura Ingham say to use compost tea but so far it ain't worked for me. But I do live on a rock.
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I have no clue how you are ever going to compost an entire pasture in tea. There was an old theory known as "Rain follows the plow" but I think the dust bowl blew this theory out the window. I do suspect that the big river projects I have proposed, especially coupled with an agricultural expansion, would increase rainfall in California and Nevada, but if the river stopped, I think the effect would stop.

Maybe you could plant tea and then turn it under?

politicalcenter · Nov 17, 2016

Zorro said: ↑

I have no clue how you are ever going to compost an entire pasture in tea. There was an old theory known as "Rain follows the plow" but I think the dust bowl blew this theory out the window. I do suspect that the big river projects I have proposed, especially coupled with an agricultural expansion, would increase rainfall in California and Nevada, but if the river stopped, I think the effect would stop.

Maybe you could plant tea and then turn it under?
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Compost tea is a mixture of compost and water. It is usually mixed in buckets or barrels and used to water and fertilize plants. Manure tea is a mixture of manure and water used for the same purpose. Smart dairy farmers dispose of their waste manure on pastures to fertilize the pasture grasses. It isn't tea for drinking.

Rowland Reeves · Nov 17, 2016

A major problem in the Sahara region and most drier areas of the world is that they are populated by people who herd goats. They herd goats because goats are just about the only animal that can eat almost anything; very good if you're living in a desert. But that is also the problem with goats; they eat almost anything and they eat it down to the roots and dig at the roots and eat them also. So plants that could possibly thrive in a desert environment and therefore reduce the process of desertification are being eaten by goats who therefore accelerate the process of desertification. Eliminate the goats and install desalinization plants near the deserts and global warming would be slowed because you could turn the deserts green eliminating much of the "heat overflow" that emanates from deserts. Also interesting fact look at the deserts of the world. Most of them border oceans. We don't have a water problem or a desert problem we have a salt problem. Build desalinization plants near deserts and desertification and global warming will both be slowed down. Oh yes, turn the goat herders into farmers.

politicalcenter · Nov 17, 2016

Rowland Reeves said: ↑

A major problem in the Sahara region and most drier areas of the world is that they are populated by people who herd goats. They herd goats because goats are just about the only animal that can eat almost anything; very good if you're living in a desert. But that is also the problem with goats; they eat almost anything and they eat it down to the roots and dig at the roots and eat them also. So plants that could possibly thrive in a desert environment and therefore reduce the process of desertification are being eaten by goats who therefore accelerate the process of desertification. Eliminate the goats and install desalinization plants near the deserts and global warming would be slowed because you could turn the deserts green eliminating much of the "heat overflow" that emanates from deserts. Also interesting fact look at the deserts of the world. Most of them border oceans. We don't have a water problem or a desert problem we have a salt problem. Build desalinization plants near deserts and desertification and global warming will both be slowed down. Oh yes, turn the goat herders into farmers.
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China solved the goat problem by putting the goats in dry lots and bringing the forage to the goats. My goats are on drylot now because of our drought and they are thriving. I have a lot of underbrush that needs cleaned up and I throw it to the goats over the fence. I kill two birds with one stone. Mob grazing is also a very good tool. The pasture is divided into small paddocks and the livestock spends little time in one area. This gives time for the land to recover. You should look at the amazing progress made in the Loess region of China.

Rowland Reeves · Nov 17, 2016

h ! Feed lots. Yes, what a great idea. And the goats can still be used for their great munch down the undergrowth talent but not to the extent that they destroy the plant life root system. Excellent !

Zorro · Nov 18, 2016

politicalcenter said: ↑

Compost tea is a mixture of compost and water. It is usually mixed in buckets or barrels and used to water and fertilize plants. Manure tea is a mixture of manure and water used for the same purpose. Smart dairy farmers dispose of their waste manure on pastures to fertilize the pasture grasses. It isn't tea for drinking.
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Got it. Manure spreaders have a long and storied career in our great nation!

Dispondent · Nov 20, 2016

All those crying liberals on Nov 8th really could have put a dent in it...

Last I heard California was on a coast, desalination is viable, expensive to start, but how many times do we need to hear about Californian's whining about droughts, when there is a solution right there? Not like we haven't heard this before, its more frequent than major quakes out there...

DennisTate · Nov 20, 2016

Dispondent said: ↑

All those crying liberals on Nov 8th really could have put a dent in it...

Last I heard California was on a coast, desalination is viable, expensive to start, but how many times do we need to hear about Californian's whining about droughts, when there is a solution right there? Not like we haven't heard this before, its more frequent than major quakes out there...
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And when it comes to financing it.....
up here in Canada back in 1940 Prime Minister Mackenzie King
faced the challenge of financing our participation in WWII.

He got some advice and came up with the idea of using our Bank of Canada,
that since 1913, (if I remember correctly) has been owned by all Canadians, to make loans for
infrastructure projects, and the production of guns, tanks, planes and ships.... . at zero percent interest,
or at most one percent, because this benefited all Canadians. Losing the war due to a lack of
money to invest in the necessary equipment.... would have been astonishingly unwise.

That policy that he began was used until 1974 and I believe that financing large scale desalination of ocean water for
California could be the emergency that will give President Donald Trump the leverage he needs to
deal with some issues in Federal Reserve Policy.

http://www.infowars.com/trump-calls-for-auditing-the-fed/

Trump Calls For Auditing the Fed

GOP frontrunner makes good on promise to call for audit of Fed

“It is so important to audit the Federal Reserve, and yet Ted Cruz missed the vote on the bill that would allow this to be done,” Trump tweeted out.

During Friday’s appearance on the Alex Jones Show, Trump insider Roger Stone was asked if Trump would call for an audit, and Stone said that he thought so but would pass the message along to the Trump campaign.

“He’s not a big fan of the Fed,” Stone pointed out. “He is scaring the central bankers; he is scaring the Washington/Wall Street/D.C. consultant/lobbyist class.”

“He’s deeply suspicious of the Fed and I think he is open-minded about the Fed… I’d suspect you’d get an audit of the Fed [with Trump].”
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I quoted from an article on this history of what we did up here in Canada in my 2008 campaign.

www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/

http://www.michaeljournal.org/appenB.htm

"Why was a much larger national debt shrugged off in 1945, while today's much smaller debt (as a percentage of GDP) is being used as an excuse to let the economy stagnate?"

"The answer can be found at the Bank of Canada. During the war, and for 30 years afterward, the government could borrow what it needed at low rates of interest, because the government's own bank produced up to half of all the new money. That forced the private banks to keep their interest rates low, too.

"Since the mid-1970s, however, the Bank of Canada, with government consent, has been creating less and less of the new money, while letting the private banks create more and more. Today «our» bank creates a mere 2% of each year's new money supply, while allowing the private banks to gouge the government — and of course you and me, as well — with outrageously high interest rates. And it is these extortionate interest charges that are the principal cause of the rapid escalation of the national debt. If the federal government were paying interest at the average levels that prevailed from the 1930s to the mid-1970s, it would now be running an operating surplus of about $13 billion!"

..... "Clearly the current problem of the Canadian government's deficit is not its absolute size, or its size relative to the GDP, but the insane way it is being financed. A return to the policies of the World War II era, when the Bank of Canada produced almost one-half of the new money at near-zero interest, would do wonders for the economy, while greatly shrinking the deficit... The first order of business for a post-Mulroney- era government must be to regain effective control of the Bank of Canada and make it the primary source of money creation.

"It is ludicrous for the government to put billions of dollars into circulation by borrowing from the private banks, when it can create the extra money it needs, virtually free. "(by Harold Chorney, John Hotson, and Mario Seccareccia) .
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Dispondent · Nov 20, 2016

DennisTate said: ↑

And when it comes to financing it.....
up here in Canada back in 1940 Prime Minister Mackenzie King
faced the challenge of financing our participation in WWII.

He got some advice and came up with the idea of using our Bank of Canada,
that since 1913, (if I remember correctly) has been owned by all Canadians, to make loans for
infrastructure projects, and the production of guns, tanks, planes and ships.... . at zero percent interest,
or at most one percent, because this benefited all Canadians. Losing the war due to a lack of
money to invest in the necessary equipment.... would have been astonishingly unwise.

That policy that he began was used until 1974 and I believe that financing large scale desalination of ocean water for
California could be the emergency that will give President Donald Trump the leverage he needs to
deal with some issues in Federal Reserve Policy.

http://www.infowars.com/trump-calls-for-auditing-the-fed/

Trump Calls For Auditing the Fed

I quoted from an article on this history of what we did up here in Canada in my 2008 campaign.

www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/

http://www.michaeljournal.org/appenB.htm
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California isn't poor, just poorly managed and governed. They could easily afford to start the process and if through their own folly couldn't complete the process help could be offered. There isn't much need for any outside reform, and I suppose the federal government might have some small interest in helping, well maybe the next time Democrats are in the White House...

DennisTate · Nov 20, 2016

Rowland Reeves said: ↑

A major problem in the Sahara region and most drier areas of the world is that they are populated by people who herd goats. They herd goats because goats are just about the only animal that can eat almost anything; very good if you're living in a desert. But that is also the problem with goats; they eat almost anything and they eat it down to the roots and dig at the roots and eat them also. So plants that could possibly thrive in a desert environment and therefore reduce the process of desertification are being eaten by goats who therefore accelerate the process of desertification. Eliminate the goats and install desalinization plants near the deserts and global warming would be slowed because you could turn the deserts green eliminating much of the "heat overflow" that emanates from deserts. Also interesting fact look at the deserts of the world. Most of them border oceans. We don't have a water problem or a desert problem we have a salt problem. Build desalinization plants near deserts and desertification and global warming will both be slowed down. Oh yes, turn the goat herders into farmers.
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I absolutely love your answer Roland Reeves!

Here is a new link to Mr. Carl Cantrell's article:

http://www.crcantrell.bibleword.org/globwarm.html
Global Warming II

Carl and I co-authored a submission for the Virgin Earth Challenge
began by Sir Richard Branson and Mr. Al Gore.

http://www.politicalforum.com/humor...ssions-25-million-virgin-earth-challenge.html
My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.

politicalcenter · Nov 20, 2016

To be perfectly honest the California drought is lot a big concern for me right now. Here in Alabama we are suffering from an exceptional drought with no end in sight. I am having a drought problem of my own. I have been hauling tons and tons of horse manure on to my pastures and laying it right on top of my dry land. I am covering this with spoiled hay. If I get any rain at all I will seed it with a drought tolerant cover crop my goats can eat. Looking around I have noticed that some of our native grasses still have some green. It looks like a fescue but I am not sure. Most grasses are either dead or dormant. I may get some water from the river and get enough on the prepared ground to geminate some seed. Hopefully the water holding capacity of the manure and straw will get it off to a good start. Then even with lower than average rainfall I can get patches of cover going. This I can harvest and feed my animals. I am still looking at drought resistance and biomass production. Spring will be the time to move the goats to another lot and seed the lot they are on now. Till then it is hay and forage gathered around the farm. I can probably get enough to keep them going till spring. And since livestock prices are so low due to the drought I am also buying stock when I can. If the rain returns I stand to make a little money. I knew this drought was coming so I was not totally unprepared.

DennisTate · Nov 20, 2016

Dispondent said: ↑

California isn't poor, just poorly managed and governed. They could easily afford to start the process and if through their own folly couldn't complete the process help could be offered. There isn't much need for any outside reform, and I suppose the federal government might have some small interest in helping, well maybe the next time Democrats are in the White House...
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Yes..... very poorly managed indeed!

http://pacinst.org/publication/desal-marine-impacts/

Desalination, like other major industrial processes, has environmental impacts that must be understood and mitigated. A new report from the Pacific Institute examines effects on the marine environment associated with the construction and long-term operation of seawater desalination plants, including withdrawing water from the ocean and discharging the highly concentrated brine.

If and when we build plants in California, we must ensure that the plants are built to the highest standards given what we know now, said Cooley. Additionally, monitoring of existing and proposed desalination plants is crucial to improving our understanding of the sensitivity of the marine environment and helping promote more effective operation and design to minimize ecological and biological impacts in the future.

Modern reverse-osmosis desalination plants, such as those planned or proposed on the California coast, take in large volumes of seawater generally two gallons are withdrawn for every gallon of freshwater produced and pass it through fine-pored membranes to separate freshwater from salt. The highly concentrated brine is then typically disposed of back into the ocean.
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Experts in California should be aware that Israeli scientists already
found answers to the issues.

https://israelwaterblog.wordpress.c...n-drip-irrigation-and-brackish-water-farming/
Israel: Desalination, Drip Irrigation, and Brackish Water Farming

Good news.... California is bringing Israeli technology to their State.

http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ears-of-desalination-experience-to-california
Israel Bringing Its Years Of Desalination Experience To California

With four of those up and running and the fifth about to open, more than one-quarter of Israel's fresh water is now created through desalination.

An Israeli company is building a desalination plant near San Diego, to aid in California's historic drought
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Deckel · Nov 20, 2016

FreshAir said: ↑

I am all for desalinating ocean water where economically possible
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It doesn't have to be ocean water. Most people don't realize that there are very large pockets of saline under parts of the continental US. Occasionally some hapless farmer or jerk-leg driller who doesn't know what they are doing will hit one, and contaminate fresh water supply with the saline water for which there will be a dire financial penalty that will keep them eating beans and cornbread for the rest of their lives.

dairyair · Nov 20, 2016

Texas Republican said: ↑

Dallas is going to have a water problem in about 50 years. This area is semi-arid and we don't have the lakes and rivers to support our growing population. We'll pass Chicago within 20 years to become the third largest metro area.

Oklahoma has plenty of water, but it won't allow Texas to have any of it. Desalination of the water from the Gulf of Mexico is the only answer.
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Could always not over populate an area that can't support the population.

Texas Republican · Nov 20, 2016

dairyair said: ↑

Could always not over populate an area that can't support the population.
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People are moving here from all over the U.S. I see license plates from NY, IL, and CA every day. I don't think it's possible to stop the migration.

DennisTate · Jan 22, 2017

Texas Republican said: ↑

Dallas is going to have a water problem in about 50 years. This area is semi-arid and we don't have the lakes and rivers to support our growing population. We'll pass Chicago within 20 years to become the third largest metro area.

Oklahoma has plenty of water, but it won't allow Texas to have any of it. Desalination of the water from the Gulf of Mexico is the only answer.
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I can't deny that large scale desalination of ocean water is expensive at this time but
it certainly is getting more and more efficient.

The time may come when environmentalists don't fight so vehemently against
desalination projects.

JakeJ · Jan 22, 2017

I don't think California has the half a trillion dollars it would likely end up costing, though voters would be told it only cost $1 billion when they voted on it.

DennisTate · Jan 23, 2017

JakeJ said: ↑

I don't think California has the half a trillion dollars it would likely end up costing, though voters would be told it only cost $1 billion when they voted on it.
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Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table
of California is good news for residents of Florida, Georgia, New Orleans and New Jersey.

http://sealevel.climatecentral.org/news/floria-and-the-rising-sea

Florida and the Rising Sea

Florida is in the crosshairs of climate change. Rising seas, a population crowded along the coast, porous bedrock, and the relatively common occurrence of tropical storms put more real estate and people at risk from storm surges aggravated by sea level rise in Florida, than any other state by far.

Some 2.4 million people and 1.3 million homes, nearly half the risk nationwide, sit within 4 feet of the local high tide line. Sea level rise is more than doubling the risk of a storm surge at this level in South Florida by 2030. For the hundreds of thousands of Floridians holding 30-year mortgages, that date is not far off in the future.
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AFM · Jan 24, 2017

DennisTate said: ↑

Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table
of California is good news for residents of Florida, Georgia, New Orleans and New Jersey.

http://sealevel.climatecentral.org/news/floria-and-the-rising-sea

Florida and the Rising Sea
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What drought ??

GrayMan · Jan 24, 2017

Indoor uv greenhouse plant skyscrapers and ionization towers.

DennisTate · Jan 24, 2017

AFM said: ↑

What drought ??
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Good question.... forty percent of California is
no longer in a drought.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ious-reactions-online-20170123-htmlstory.html

5 questions about California's drought for storm-drenched state

DennisTate · Jan 24, 2017

GrayMan said: ↑

Indoor uv greenhouse plant skyscrapers and ionization towers.
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Wow.....
you weren't kidding!?

http://www.northerngreenhouse.com/products/woven-poly/more-about-our-clear-superstrong-polys.shtml

More About Our Clear Superstrong Polys

https://www.wired.com/2015/09/tower-purifies-million-cubic-feet-air-hour/

The metal tower, nearly 23 feet tall, can purify up to 1 million cubic feet of air every hour. To put that in perspective, the Smog Free Tower would need just 10 hours to purify enough air to fill Madison Square Garden. “When this baby is up and running for the day you can clean a small neighborhood,” says Roosegaarde.
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