Will liberals start catering to the white working class vote now?

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  1. Seth Bullock

    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would like to see conservatives aggressively go after those votes. Both with words and actions that back up the words.
     
  2. erayp

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    Both Warren and Sanders jumped on the Hillary bandwagon. They lost legitimacy when they did that.

    Trump said he would be president to ALL people while leftist politicians made it VERY clear that they hate whites. After the left's constant spewing of hatred against whites any attempts to get them back will be viewed as empty words and pandering. It's ashamed really, why couldn't the left also be for all American people too. I hate identity politicking. The election result is the result of leftist stupidity and ignorance. Did they really think they could keep attacking people with a vengeance without their targets striking back? Obviously they were so arrogant and ignorant they thought they could.
     
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    What the Democrats don’t realize is that they have so perfected the politics of “hate, hate, hate” and that message is what has done them in. When Obama said, "You didn't build that," it was a slap in the face to every American. They heard him say that what they had accomplished was worthless. When he imposed ObamaCare on the people, they heard, "You are too stupid to take care of yourself."

    Hate, worthless, stupid. yes, the American people heard you loud and clear and we rejected your message.
     
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    Democrats don’t realize is that they have so perfected the politics of “hate, hate, hate” and that message is what has done them in. When Obama said, "You didn't build that," it was a slap in the face to every American. They heard him say that what they had accomplished was worthless. When he imposed ObamaCare on the people, they heard, "You are too stupid to take care of yourself."

    Hate, worthless, stupid. yes, the American people heard you loud and clear and we rejected your message. Obama’s election in 2008 the Democrat Party has steadily drifted into this “label them all haters” territory and since that time the party has been absolutely obliterated at the polls. Democrats have lost the White House, Senate, and House. They now control just 13 state legislatures and Republicans now sleep in 33 governor’s mansions. Yet even after the election of Donald Trump Democrats continue to dutifully stick to the playbook of calling everyone (but themselves) “filled with hate.”

    They are name-calling the very people they want to vote for them! How’s that a good strategy?
     
  5. After Hours

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    So you are stating that because blacks and hispanics don't support the Republicans, it's entirely because of mythical "identity politics"? Man, this is hilariously awesome.

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    Conservatives won't ever go after those votes, because that would alienate a significant portion of their white base.

    Donald Trump himself was once pro choice, pro affirmative action, for gun control, etc, and essentially had to change all that to appeal to those particular votes.
     
  6. After Hours

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    The Dems don't really have to do anything other than nominate a candidate with less baggage.

    Somebody with exactly Hillary's same beliefs and policies could have won if they didn't have her baggage.

    2020 will be a lot different than 2016 though. In 2016 Trump was able to run on garbage populist rhetoric to appeal to low information rubes. But in 2020...those same people who voted for him will be looking at his record, not his rhetoric. And if he doesn't deliver...there's a strong chance he will be fired, and nobody would be happier about that than the GOP establishment.
     
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    Lol, liberals have been living off identity politics my whole life and you deny it. You're the one providing great comedic relief. I laugh like when I'd laugh at Landslide Andy pre-election, so innocent, oblivious.
     
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    Actually, it was the GOP who started identity politics, hence why they have been regularly winning the white vote in the south since roughly the 1960's.

    Trump pandered to the exact same voters responsible for putting Nixon and Reagan into office, using some of the same race baiting tactics, and more.
     
  9. Sam Bellamy

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    The GOP did not put a gun to Clinton's head. He did not have to sign NAFTA into law. He did not have to add environmental regulations. He did not have to say, "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs and good paying American jobs. And if I did not believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement". So please, give credit where credit is due.
     
  10. Shiva_TD

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    Whether the quality has gone down or not isn't dictated by the country of manufacture and one of the greatest misperceptions is that products like household appliances are all being made overseas.

    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/04/which-appliances-are-still-american-made/index.htm

    Once again the problem with the US economy isn't the lack of manufacturing jobs, it's not the Mexicans, it's not the Chinese, it's not even a lack of jobs. The problem with the US economy is under-compensation for service sector jobs and the widening gap of income inequality between the very wealthy and the vast majority of the American people.
     
  11. Lil Mike

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    Well I was making the observation that white, black, and hispanic economic issues are pretty much identical. Do you disagree with that?

    That being said, there are probably good reasons for blacks to vote one way or the other, as I had previously discussed here. If people were voting by their class, the parties and their voters would look totally different.
     
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    I agree, that is a big part of it too, housing and other costs have gone up, but the min wage has not kept up
     
  13. TrackerSam

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    The snowflake generation will never admit their ideology is a disaster as they live in their momma's basement while demanding more free stuff they're too lazy to go after themselves.
     
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    The "war on women" that Lil Debbie started didn't work in the elections of 2014, but Lil Debbie didn't learn and trotted it out again. And now Lil Debbie is no long chair of the DNC. They haven't realized all issues are women's issues, the economy, security etc. They thought abortion was thier only issue.
    And Hillary's "I have a vagina, vote for me" mantra, wasn't nearly as compelling an issue as unsecured servers and 'pay to play' whoring of her office as SoS.
    WATCH: CLINTON CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL BLAMES LOSS ON ‘INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY’ OF WHITE WOMEN
    When host Chris Hayes asked her why Clinton fared only a point better among white female voters than Obama did in 2012, McIntosh said the following.

    “Internalized misogyny is a real thing and this is a thing we have to be talking about.”

    She continued, “It seems to be white college-educated women. We have work to do talking to those women about what happened this year and why, why, why we would vote against our self-interests.”
    https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2016/11/clinton-official-blames-internalized-misogyny/

    When she was first lady, they rented out White House bedrooms like a Motel 6.
    Zero accomplishments.
    Mean as a snake.
    Pay to play.
     
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    You lost. You think Hillary and her friends on Wall Street give a damn. You probably can't even talk to her for less than $100K. You think "the working calss" can pony up that kind of money?
     
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    The constant name calling is third grade playground logic. We'd better agree with them so they'll stop calling us names.
    They said the Rep.convention was a clown car. Well who's laughing now? I am. Hillary couldn't beat a rookie in '08 or someone who never campaigned before in his life. That's got to be humiliating.
     
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    Sounds like mama's to blame. Not the kids. So it would be the generation before the snowflakes that caused the snowflakes.

    Speaking of snowflakes, looks like our next leader is the biggest snowflake of all.
    If one goes by his constant butt hurt tweets.
    So, we will become a nation of snowflakes with the new leader being the example?

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    LOL. Didn't you just post a replay calling a group of people a name that is meant to be derogatory? Hypocrisy at it's finest.
     
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    Quit with the popular vote crap. The race was for the electoral college. You have no idea if Trump would have campaigned in Cal and the other solid dem states that he would have won a greater number of votes than Clinton.

    It is like saying my qb threw for more yards than yours so you think that should win the game retroacively but the score is kepts on points not yards.
     
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    No. It's how they're known, like millenials or baby boomers. They named themselves saying "we're all individuals, like snowflakes". Would you please pass the crayons and play-doh please? Oh and the Kleenex too.
     
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    The working class, like all classes other than the elite white liberals, is too stupid to know what's good for it. According to the elite, white liberals, that is.
     
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    And they don't know how to spend the money they earned so it must be taken from them and redistributed.
     
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    But it's the parents who raised them and catered to them. So, put the blame of the people responsible for not making their kids responsible.
    Everyone knows most kids will take whatever the parents allow them to.

    Why is that so difficult for you to get? Probably because you just want to hate on that generation, but it was the prior generation who developed those traits or at least allowed them to come to prominence.

    BTW - the generation you speak of are millenials. Those under 30.
    My kids generation. And my kids aren't like what you claim, so further proof its the parents.
    How old are your kids? Are they millenials and act like the generation you hate? Or is that your grandkids?

    What should we give our next prez? Crayons and play doh or a kleenex.
    Ever hear a world leader whine like such a baby before?
     
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    too bad, fact is more people supported Clinton... that said, Trump won so he will be President, just don't try to tell us most people wanted Trump as that would be a lie
     
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    This is a copy and paste from a progressive.

    "the media, and social media kept everyone ignorant and isolated from differing opinions. They lied to us, manipulated us, and made us think the rest of the country agreed with us, when they didn’t. They used their position of authority to mislead us into believing in a false reality—in propaganda.

    Hillary never should have been nominated in the first place. I got far more support from Trump supporters for trying to tell Democrats the truth. I wasn’t expecting that. I took it upon myself to understand Trump, and his supporters. What I found was millions of great Americans who had been disenfranchised, normal people like you and I, who did not recover from the Great Recession. They’re pissed off about Obama Care, endless wars, trade deals that have killed jobs, higher taxes, a rigged economy–and, they are not wrong.

    Had Democrats taken the concerns of average American seriously, especially the concerns of Millennials, they would have quickly realized Hillary Clinton was not the right nominee for the Democratic party in 2016."

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    Trump just overthrew a group of political elites who have been ruling this country for decades. No matter what you think about him personally, he just accomplished something historic to become our President.

    This is an opportunity to learn consider another world view. This is a wakeup call to get out of safe spaces, politically correct thinking, shatter echo chambers, and challenge yourself to consider the other side of the fence.

    We all have to come together to solve any real problems with our country in the next 4-years. This election was a lesson to consider all ideas equally, regardless of established authority.


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