And you think Trump will keep his word to you?<<Mod Warning>>

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no, it was Reagan, who signed the EMTALA into law, who forced the middle class Americans to pay for the healthcare of the poor and uninsured.

    it costs us around $100 billion a year.
     
  2. anomaly

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    How is it that you are so naive as to think I would take seriously the attempted insult of "childish demagoguery" from the likes of you?

    Evidently not only do you not actually read and comprehend what others post... you don't even give your own posts any consideration!

    Your position is clear... not my problem... I don't care if others loved ones die from being poor it's their own fault.

    Your position is quite clear and no matter the lame attempts at insults or the self presumed clever spin you espouse will ever be convincing to those who clearly see through BS.
     
  3. Borat

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    These are not mutually exclusive things, regardless of what Reagan signed 30 years ago, in recent history it was Obama who "dumped the burden of paying for the poor and illegals on the american middle class and allow his donors, lobbyists and special interests to get away with another highway robbery"
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh, so you oppose Medicaid?

    SSDI?
     
  5. Borat

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    Demagoguery is not an insult, it's a political technique of appealing to emotions, prejudices and passions instead of making a rational argument. The simplistic, transparent and unsophisticated (aka childish) nature of your "if you don't like to pay tens of thousands out of your pocket to the top 1% you are a bad selfish person" statement is indeed demagogical as it's appealing to emotions and not making a rational argument.
     
  6. Sam Bellamy

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    Not necessarily. Much of the cost was eaten by the hospitals. Some of it was passed on to the insurance companies. Though it did accelerate health care costs over the years, especially insurance premiums. Then what Obama did was remove that entire cost structure and place it directly on the consumer and insurance companies. It was an unsustainable move that was doomed to fail from the start. You see the insurance companies operate on margins. The American tax payer averages under $60k income a year. Yet, the hospitals, who Obama let off the hook, continue to enjoy record profits without any of the burden. Even the insurance companies are opting out now as it has resulted in many losing money. What about the American tax payer? We cannot opt out. That's a huge problem.
     
  7. anomaly

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    Here's your rational argument then... but I suspect you'll dismiss it as nonsense also...

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..

    Now if you have the audacity to tell me the way you want to be treated is to be left to die because you are poor then this exchange is over.
     
  8. Borat

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    This is very simple and it has nothing to do with me. Obamacare is a horribly botched monstrosity which was totally mishandled by your beloved Obama's administration, it has completely failed to achieve its stated objectives and is falling apart while we speak. When I want to help the poor I can donate to charities and I do donate, I don't need Obama to syphon money out of my pockets and into the pockets of his special interests, donors and lobbyists under a bogus pretext of helping the poor. He should have helped them by doing his job, yet he is leaving virtually all aspect of the country including Healthcare in a significantly worse state than it was 8 years ago.

    PS why don't you put your money where your mouth is and sponsor a poor family. Pay for their health insurance, feel free to buy them a car and pay for their apartment. You're not selfish, are you, you'll do that, right?
     
  9. robini123

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    Trump boldly said that he is a winner, not a settler... apparently he is a settler after all.
     
  10. robini123

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    "One thing about me, I am not known as a settler,” - Trump

    Words have meaning and the more that he goes back on his word the more he starts to look like a status quo politician.
     
  11. anomaly

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    And I told you the answer was easily obtainable to those interested if knowing... I'm beginning to think you are not one of them!

    Try a search on your computer thingy!
     
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    Why was Obama called derogatory names? Freedom of speech
     
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    Nice thread, it's like to make Donal Trump a deity ... may be who started this thread didn't realize this [I guess this is among the reasons why Trump has been elected: the leftists haven't understood him].

    Lesson 1:

    Trump is a manager.

    Lesson 2:

    Managers [like me] are not coherent before than pragmatic. Don't expect a manager [like a leftist politician] to defend ideals even when they are evidently wrong.

    Lesson 3:

    Managers tend not to like leftists [so get ready for the fun]

    Lesson 4:

    Managers play their role, despite all [so get ready for a double fun]

    Lesson 5:

    Managers can be moderate [we don't eat children :knifefork:... well ... not so often!!! ].
     
  14. bois darc chunk

    bois darc chunk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    <Mod Warning: Stay on topic. Further off topic posts will result in a thread ban.>
     
  15. REALITY CHUCK

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    I think that Trump supporters know there was a bit of hyperbole in his speeches just like Obama promising to lower the ocean levels. I would love to see Hillary spending all of her ill-gotten gains on lawyers after Trump starts a full investigation, but I know that Obama could mess that up at any moment with a pardon. So, I hope he is sounding like he is not going after her in order to derail that pardon

    My main interest in Trump being President is the economy and protection of the Constitution; two things beyond the grasp of Obama and Hillary.
     
  16. robini123

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    I think some Trump supporters know the above while others do not.

    Separation of powers bars Trump from starting a full investigation. He can ask for an investigation but he has no authority to start an investigation into a political rival.
     
  17. gandrews

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    Many of whom will soon be out of work if Trump actually keeps his word to them. Yep, that'll show those "liberal useful idiots". Dang tootin!
    Not one of your posts is anything more than a thoughtless rant. You parrot the words of those who have bedazzled you with what you want to hear, not realizing that they have no better solution than the establishment you loathe. By electing Trump you have effectively thrown the baby out with the bath water.
    Interestingly, you continue to attack me as if you know that I am one of your hated "liberals". I could just as easily be a right winger who just does not believe that Trump, the most unqualified man ever to run for President, should be our President.
    At least I am an American, which you seem not to be (or are unwilling to admit), so I fail to even see your interest in any of this. I'm sure that your Kazakhstan has enough problems to keep you occupied.
     
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    Since the Donald isn't in office yet, and we have just experienced the long national nightmare of Obama for eight years, I think I will discuss recent events rather than project the future.
     
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    One of the most wonderful attributes of this forum is that you are free to discuss what ever you wish and so am I.. and none of us are forced to engage in the discussions we are not inclined to.
     
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    No he's not. There's no path for him in the EC for him to win. I've heard that song in my head for the last 2 months. You said.
     
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    What was you prediction on Trump winning? You were wrong weren't you?
     
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    You have confused me with someone else as I made no predictions as to out come of the last election... but thanks for playing!
     
  23. gandrews

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    Not too clued in on how international finance works, are you? All Trump has to do is devalue the US dollar and ALL his overseas interests will skyrocket in value. Perhaps, for the first time in his life he will actually make a profit, while the rest of us will have to struggle even harder to keep our heads above water.
    Trump has shown us over and over again how altruistic he is, right? Putting the American people ahead of his own interests, which is why he absolutely refuses to have his "business empire" (cough, cough) go into a blind trust while he is in office, right? Yep, a true champion of "the people", right? Such an excellent choice for President of the United States of America, wouldn't you say?
     
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    You mean they will skyrocket in value in worthless dollars, right? What's the point then? LOL, pure libs, so confused, so out of their depth when it comes to anything besides race baiting.

    Anyway, in the real world Trump has saved 1100 jobs and the US dollar is up 5% since he became president-elect. Do you have any thoughts about things that are going on in the real world? :D
     
  25. gandrews

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    Oh, you mean like thinking the White House staff were permanent employees of the White House? Heck, any grade school kid knew that wasn't true.
    "US dollar is up 5%" against what currency, the Russian Ruble? Well, that was to be expected wasn't it?
    "Trump has saved 1100 jobs" Need a link, cause I'm sure as hell not taking the word of some guy from Kazakhstan. Of course, there's no way to tell how many are losing their jobs daily because anybody with any sense understands that the US is headed for a deep depression once Trump starts enacting his fiscally impossible schemes, like his wall (to be built on how many miles of river bottom?) and his deportation (or is it internment) policy on illegals, just to mention two.
    I'm guessing you yourself have solved all the troubles in your own country of Kazakhstan and now live in the perfect society, which is why you feel the need to lecture us Americans about things you could never understand, right? It might be best if you just stuck to your own country's politics and stayed out of mine.

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    Oh, you mean like thinking the White House staff were permanent employees of the White House? Heck, any grade school kid knew that wasn't true.
    "US dollar is up 5%" against what currency, the Russian Ruble? Well, that was to be expected wasn't it?
    "Trump has saved 1100 jobs" Need a link, cause I'm sure as hell not taking the word of some guy from Kazakhstan. Of course, there's no way to tell how many are losing their jobs daily because anybody with any sense understands that the US is headed for a deep depression once Trump starts enacting his fiscally impossible schemes, like his wall (to be built on how many miles of river bottom?) and his deportation (or is it internment) policy on illegals, just to mention two.
    I'm guessing you yourself have solved all the troubles in your own country of Kazakhstan and now live in the perfect society, which is why you feel the need to lecture us Americans about things you could never understand, right? It might be best if you just stuck to your own country's politics and stayed out of mine.
     

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