Trump Cites Progress In Keeping Carrier Air Conditioning Plant In Indiana

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  1. PARTIZAN1

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/b...cites-progress-on-restoring-indiana-jobs.html

    I have not been a fan of Trump since he insulted John McCain and all of us Vietnam Veterans in fact I have dubbed him as LICE but I am supporting his efforts in trying to get Carrier to reverse their decision to move to Mexico. I do that even though I still vidlyn recall his lies with the Ford Kentucky deal where he falsely claimed to have single handily for the sake of American workers I wish LICE Trump absolute success.

    Any one else out there who is not a Trump supporter have the same support for Trump in this case or other legitimate cases where Trump really is trying to help American workers ?
     
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    I think some companies will take a wait and see approach, and temporarily reverse decisions to move, but ultimately its going to come down to dollars and cents because of global competition... if americans don't buy the american made goods, the companies will be forced to leave and try the "cheaper than the rest" strategy rather than the "american made" strategy... it all comes down to consumers, not companies making a decision out of fear... I mean at the end of the day, will those shopping on black friday, buy american made things, or the cheapest crap they can find?

    thats the problem with america, we're no longer purchasing enough (as a percentage of all retail good sales) in american made items, we're instead shipping our money out, and we need to keep it in and circulate it around more times in america... so until consumers change their buying habits, which they could do instantly, without a law, without a mandate, without waiting for anyone else, nothing will matter until consumers change... I mean if we just keep buying the best bargain and value items, american made goods will rarely be at the top of the list, unless we do something about the cost of doing business in america, or in the case of some folks saying, apply tariffs to everything...

    so for everyone shopping today on black friday... go check all that crap you just bought... how much of it was made in america? if you can't say almost all of it was made in america, YOU are the problem, stop expecting someone else to fix it for you, YOU can fix it today, return that crap and go buy american made goods... and more important, go buy local items from local manufacturers and locally owned retailers... a growing number of chains and corporations are having more foreign owners or investors, stop making them wealthy and find a local mom-n-pop shop...

    P.S. but I suspect nobody reading this will actually heed my words and check to see if its made in america, after all, they just want the best bargain... do as I say, not as I do... let someone else fix a problem I could solve, because I don't want to be inconvenienced by my morals and values...
     
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    Is Trump lobbying Carrier or just tweeting about lobbying?
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is LICE?

    There's a lot for the left to like in Trump. He supports liberal stimulus spending on infrastructure, he doesn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about religion, he wants a lot of what the thuggish spectrum of the union movement has been pushing for for years.

    Bernie supporters ran many of the same protectionist tropes. He's not great for them obviously, but he's better than a McCain, Romney, or God forbid Pence!
     
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    cutting corporate tax rate will help companies out a lot in this country and provide a major incentive to stay. Corporate tax rate in Mexico is at 30%, the USA is currently at 35% and Trump wants to drop it to 15%. If Carrier stays one incentive is that their taxes will be 1/2 of what Mexico charges if Congress agree with Trump. That is a pretty powerful incentive to stay in USA. However the left will scream 1%.. 1%... 1%... till their vocal cords are raw. Hopefully the workers in theses companies will be grateful and smart enough to see through the globalist left temper tantrums who just want to make more people unemployed and underemployed so they are dependent on the government. Like I told my progressive in laws yesterday, I could care less about what politicians say, I am more interested in what they do. Obama is a fine orator but a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty leader, he should angle for a commentator job at CNN
     
  6. PARTIZAN1

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    It's more complicated than that. It's true that if Americans do not buy American made goods more companies will move or go out of business. That has already happened. Truecalso that American companies move overseas or have products made overseas is that the single largest components of the price of a product is labor. Labor is cheaper overseas. Now some companies and lying politicitiobs blame taxes and regulations. Those are factors in the cost of products but not the most costly factors. You say that Americans can turn the Made in China, Mexico, Japan, Korea, Kapustastan on a dime. I have to differ with that. As more and more products are made overseas the less and less American workers have in disposable income. That means the less we have to buy American made even if there were American made products left to buy. If memory serves me correctly the last American made TV was Zenith but that is owned by Korean LG.

    There are maybe two American audio equipment companies left ..

    There is hardly anything out there to buy that us made in the US. Duluth Trading no stink, no crotch squeez, no sweat clothes ate made in Vietnam.

    We screwed ourselves when we started buying Japanese cars. True American car companies acted like pigs and failed to keep up quality and union workers screwed themselves and us by not keeeping quality.

    I gave been leasing the last two cars made in Japan. I felt bad and guilty but Ford passé never off a couple years ago but I plan to go back tonAmerican when my lease is up in a year or so. But when I read the sticker disclosure on the Lincoln MKZ it said that parts cone from Canada, Germany transmission, and the shocker Mexico. Yep Phucking Mexico part in the Lincoln.

    We will soon get to the point where American will not even be able to buy NOT MADE IN AMERICAN brcause our wages are going to be so low we will not be able to buy even the cheaper crap from overseas.

    We all, politicians, companies, and worker screwed ourselves and we will not be able to change that in one day of Buy American.

    There have been done products returning to the US fir production but too few too late.

    Trump may have a few small success stories and ge will make a big overblown deal about them but it will takes years or decades to reverse the lies of not just products but entire industries.
     
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    I think the tax rate for manufacturers operating in the U.S. ought to be zero. Tax personal income, but leave the engine of income alone.
     
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    So far, Trump has done nothing for Americans. Literally nothing.
     
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    Part of the problem is how hard it is to genuinely find a "made-in America" brand. It'd be easier to do that online than in retail. Then you have to compare the brands of "made in America" versus made in China.

    America

    China.

    For US consumers, it's often a TOUGH pill to swallow. And that creates a double-whammy effect since "American made" items also come off the shelves
    less frequently hence necessitating(in a sense) the higher prices in order to get maximum return.

    It's up to companies here in America, if they want to make their prices more competitive or if they want to lose out to cheaper, foreign investment. So far, they've mostly chosen to lose out.
     
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    15% is good and puts us on par and ahead of most developed countries. Ireland's GDP had a remarkable rise when they dropped their corporate tax rate but unfortunately for Ireland they do not have a lot of natural resources, trained workers, and manufacturing history. So the average Irish did not see much in his or her pocket from this growth. The US with it's natural resource, a well trained workforce and manufacturing history. What the US will have to do is also refocus on fewer people getting their masters in Medieval Dance history or other useless BA degrees and more going to tech colleges and learning real skills

    a 20% drop in taxes will help level the playing field as well as the elimination of useless rules, regulations and obamacare. There are a number of factors involved. It simplistic to just point at "greedy American workers" when there are a multitude of factors involved with manufacturing costs
     
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    I hope more of the former but we know LICE will tweet anyway. Maybe thus tine his tweets will match reality and not lies as in the Ford case.
     
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    Remember that Sam Walton started out with "made in America " products? Why did he change direction? Consumer demand wins.
     
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    American companies cannot just make American products cheaper unless they can pay their workers less. Now if American companies start paying their workers less those workers will not be able to afford to buy American so even if the American products cost the same or a hair less than foreign made products American workers making less money will buy fewer goods. So American companies woukd less fewer good. American workers would have to accept a lower standard of living in order to be bake to afford to by fewer American goods at a higher cost.

    What thus woukd do is to drive the average wage down but more people would be working.

    What is happening today it that there are few people working at a decent wage but there are many more not working or working at just above the poverty line but those who are working are subsidizing the lower waged people with food stamps, "free" breakfast/lunch/ take home meals from schools. Those working are paying out in taxes fir the privilege of working.
     
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    When big companies look around for a place to relocate or build a new factory many states and cities offer them tax incentives to move to their area because they know it will create jobs and they'll still end up getting tax money from the company and employees that they never would have received if the company didn't go there, and that's not counting all the ancillary businesses that will pop up. However, a decade or so down the road people start screaming about the low taxes these companies pay all while forgetting why they're there in the first place.
     
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    I'm into high end audio and there are still American made brands out there such as Krell, McIntosh, Wilson Audio, to name a few. But these days much of the design work is being done in the USA (or European countries) and the stuff is made and assembled in China. But if you think about it, that makes perfect sense because the companies then don't have to build factories with onerous regulations, using expensive utilities, taxes, healthcare, union grief and so on. Other than shipping costs, what advantage does a company get for making products in America?
     
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    You know, I don't think Trump reads.. He doesn't use a computer or email.. I think he just watches TV and tweets.
     
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    I disagree. There's many things you can do to make the economy work for everyone and have everyone with at least a middle class lifestyle. Namely, the big thing I want to accomplish is getting a living wage in place. Thereby finally getting rid of the minimum wage, which is just dragging down income levels for everyone. The minimum wage is an artificial agreement between government and businesses to artificially lower unemployment but they might as well be unemployed because of the low wages.

    A living wage, by contrast will give the people their money's worth. And I have a system in place(funding it through a government-trust fund) rather than the businesses, so that inflation does not set in(tied to the median of GDP. Said to be at $15.00). When you combine my living wage proposal+wages garnered from work, we will actually get ahead in many respects.
     
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    Although U.S. workers get most of the bad pub, everything that goes into manufacturing a product abroad is cheaper, from the raw materials to machinery to plant. That is due to the fact that the labor to produce the raw materials, machinery and buildings will always be cheaper abroad. It does no good to simply make U.S. workers compete with those abroad when it will ALWAYS be cheaper to manufacture abroad. Protections and real wages to buy American-produced goods are the ONLY solutions.
     
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    LICE -= LIAR IN CHIEF ELECT

    An infrastructure stimulus bill does not have to be " liberal" and I wonder what you see about what little we know about the Trump proposal as "liberal".

    Not giving a Fecal matter dump about religion is not just a liberal thing either.

    What aspects and soecificallyvwhat cases do you have to offer as being within the "thuggish spectrum" of unionism???

    Not sure what you meant by the reference to McCain, Romney, or Pence.
     
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    That part about the fact that manufacturing is cheaper abroad I agree with. It's all in the labor costs in that even materials require labor to get them to the staton being able to be used in nanufatururing takes labor to process them and to transport them.

    I am not keen on crazy arsed protection laws and rea wages .. What does real wages mean?
     
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    You make dome very intelligent points and I will get back into thus later but my Comander in Chuef of the House AKA a wife claims to need help cleaning up and putting stuff away after the Thanks Day dinner so I will get back into thus later.
     
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    I see you take the simplistic view as most do and go straight for the paycheck to reduce costs. I have already pointed out once in this thread that a corporate tax cut from 35% to 15% is an instant 20% of profit right off the bat. Then the reduced red tape with the elimination of Obamacare and the neutering of other governmenal agecies would save companies even more which could teen be used for research and expansion. Pay would never have to be touched unless some company decided to share the wealth from reduced cost of operation and give the workers a raise.

    Critical thinking is a wonderful skill to develop but it is harder than parroting the media
     
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    I heard this on the radio or tv or something...

    "hoping the President fails is like hoping the pilot crashes the plane you're riding in"
     
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    Carrier has been around since 1915.. They don't give a fig about Trump.
     
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    I just mean wages sufficient to allow most American workers to buy most American goods. Henry Ford understood the concept when he paid his auto workers enough to afford one of his cars.
     

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