Could any democrat have won?

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  1. Panacea

    Panacea New Member

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    She did win with women. Just not like expected.

    The democrats do need to stop playing identity politics. They failed to appeal to less educated white people and part of that failure was that they concentrated on minorities. At face value, concentrating on minorities isn't a bad thing, it actually appeals to both the targeted demo as well as appealing to the more liberal majority demos. However, they didn't hear the call of the less educated and instead of listening, they just marginalized them, by putting them in the deplorable basket. Lesson learned. And after this election, it might be a bad idea to run a minority at the top of your ticket and instead utilize one as running mate. Preferably they run a woman, the time had long past that we elect one and I think the country is less sexist than it is racist.
     
  2. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree
    Sanders candidacy avoids many of clintons personal negatives
    But clinton did not lose only because of her personal negatives
    Democratic senate candidates who did not have her negatives also failed to capture the senate
    that indicates a broader (albeit not overwhelming . ). Rejection of the democratic message
    Which imo would have doomed sanders prospects
     
  3. After Hours

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    Heh, well we all make mistakes. Remember "Romney landslides"?

    Regardless, Trump's latino support was barely better than Romney's, and probably only received slightly more than Romney because Hillary was a strongly disliked candidate. She even receive less white voters than Obama.




    So again, you are stating that minorities will only vote for a candidate or a "ticket" if there's a minority involved, thus you are stating that minorities are racists who only support another minorities. Fair enough, that's your opinion which I disagree with. And I brought up Julian Castro because you first brought up Cory Booker, but I think a ticket with two white candidates is certainly VERY capable of receiving Obama like minority support, and if not with blacks, definitely with hispanics and Asians.



    Nah, it was Trump who changed the game. A reality T.V. star who essentially spent most of his life supporting liberal positions, ran as a Republican spouting race baiting talking points as a (successful) attempt to pander to a bunch of self pro-claimed "conservatives", while at the same thoroughly obliterating a large GOP field, with many candidates far more conservative than himself. The same group of people who claimed to loathe "RINO's" ironically chose the biggest RINO of them all.

    As for Obama, dude turned out to be a pretty decent president, all things considered, though of course you have to think otherwise.

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    A white woman that virtually nobody liked.

    Regardless, Democrats don't need to win the white woman vote either to win elections. But I do think that vote still has potential to swing the other way.

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    It's funny that you mention identity politics, because the GOP built their entire white southern base on racial/identity politics.
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    Romney landslides would be relevant if I had actually predicted one.



    Again, I didn't state that minorities will only vote for a candidate if they are a minority. This is the second time you've deliberately mangled what I actually said into something that you really want to respond to, since you can't seem to understand my point. If you are going to continue to be a dishonest poster, let's just end this if you can't discuss issues without deliberately misstating what I actually said.

    You seemed OK with that white woman a few weeks ago.
     
  5. After Hours

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    Fair enough.




    I understand your point, and I disagree that the Dems need a minority on the ticket to win. I just think Hillary was a unique case of very few people liking her.


    Nah, I didn't care for her. Back in 2008 I thought she had potential, but regardless the Dems had a weak field in 2016. In a way both the Democrats and Republicans should be happy that Trump seems to have single handily destroyed both political dynasties. I mean let's face it, if it wasn't for Trump, it would have been Hillary vs Jeb.
     
  6. Natty Bumpo

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    The reality tv personality's fetor caused about fifteen GOP establishment canaries to keel over in the nomination process coal mine.

    Despite Clinton kicking arse in all three debates and receiving a couple million more votes, Sanders might have done better against the show biz novelty act, especially with disgruntled White blue-collar males, but would the senator have been novel enough?

    Bad year for politicians, good year for show biz performers.
     
  7. Lil Mike

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    I think Trump did both parties a favor by blowing up the Clinton/Bush political dynasties. Particularly for the Republicans, whichever non-Trump who got the nomination would have been scrambling to defend the Iraq War. Trump did a pocket knife amputation to that particular issue.
     
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    And that would have been sufficient for Sanders to take Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida and Ohio, not to mention Wisconsin.
     
  9. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only in. An all things being equal situation
    However my view is that sanders would lose votes because those places are less liberal and would reject his liberal rhetoric
     
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    I doubt that Clinton would have beaten McCain.
     

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