Trump: Burn the flag, go to jail

I reluctantly agree that burning the flag is a symbol of the freedom it represents. But that same freedom allows anyone to have any opinion on the subject they want.

Where I agree with Trump is his inner motivation for making the statements, if not the actual content.

If we are going to protect the right to burn the flag because it's free speech, we are also going to protect the right of anyone to have an opinion on the subject.

My opinion's have been clearly stated earlier in this thread. I wouldn't retract a single one of them no matter what anyone else thought. To hell with that.

 

But you have to recognize that not all opinions have the same weight.

The opinion of Seth Bullock, guy on the Internet, is the not same as the opinion of Donald Trump, guy who in just over a month will be in charge of the Justice Department.

 

You all seem to be missing an obvious point.
For a moment concentrate on the fact that someone burned a flag, doesn't matter what flag it was, what's important is that it was someone else s property.
It's called criminal damage.
Now this criminal act was committed by students at a school who put the flag at half mast when Clinton was beaten , now the college administration are going to have a meeting with the students to discuss the matter.
The discussion should be simple and brief. "This is America, we fly the American flag on campus. If you don't agree with that then pack your bags and f**k off"

 

I almost snorted my coffee when I read that!

What a cluster that would be. The whole battalion ... waving the white flag, and being slaughtered by three enemy soldiers.

 

Trump said 'perhaps.'

And I don't recall anyone on this board being critical of the global warming alarmists who want to make denying it a crime.

 

OK. If you haven't read my opinions I put on my first post on this thread, read them on Pg 11. Let me put it this way....

If I were the President-elect, I would state them, and I wouldn't retract them or apologize.

Free speech cuts both ways.

 

People who've never had to put their lives on the lines for that flag and what it represents should not have the right to disrespect it.

The flag is not just a piece of cloth, it is that same flag and those same ideas that freed the world multiple times. It was protected with the blood and lives of our fathers and grandfathers.

To allow these soft, privileged pieces of human filth to defile it disgusts me. These pieces of trash attend a college that costs more per year than most American families earn per year.

That they can only exist as the parasites they are is because of those brave souls whose shadow has protected their perverted life.

They're disgusting creatures who wouldn't last an hour if they were called to defend their pathetic existences.

 

Has a President Elect called for making climate denial a crime?

 

Glad you caught this JD. 13 pages and now that they discover Trump went with what Hillary tried to pass. Trump floating the idea....while Clinton actually trying to infringe upon free speech. So we will see just how much the leftness likes to favor the hypocritical, huh?


Clinton tried riding the fence between protecting free speech and protecting the flag. "I support federal legislation that would outlaw flag desecration, much like laws that currently prohibit the burning of crosses," she told USA Today, "but I don't believe a constitutional amendment is the answer."

And the media rightly had a field day. Most prominently, Washington Post's Richard Cohen declared Clinton guilty of "Star Spangled Pandering." Ultimately, the bill failed to pass.

But unlike Clinton, the next leader of the free world only floated the idea. He didn't front any legislation. Only Clinton took an active step toward criminalizing free speech. Either way, the civics are sloppy.


The words of late Justice Antonin Scalia ought to extinguish any ongoing hysteria online. "If I were king, I would not allow the people to go around burning the American flag," he said during a 2012 CNN interview, "however, we have a First Amendment which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged."

Yes, desecration of the American flag is odious. But cut and dry constitutional law maintains that it's not illegal. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump can't change that because neither was made monarch on Election Day......snip~

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/b...ers-sent-to-prison-for-a-year/article/2608381

 

First tell Hillary.....she actually tried to criminalize free speech. Let us know when Trump gets close to that point.

 

Cheers, friend.

Your comment reminded me of this...

The comparison is so stark, it's almost startling in it's starkness.

The flag burners don't deserve to breathe the same air as these guys.

[video=youtube;of7dGa91uO8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7dGa91uO8[/video]

 

They certainly do not.

For most of them their toughest adversity is being in a wifi dead spot.

 

I'm all for peoples freedom of expression to burn the flag. Even as a temper tantrum for not getting their way.

I'm also for government program for a one way ticket to a third world hell hole of their choosing.

If they believe this country, in its entirety is so bad, then (*)(*)(*)(*).

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I put my life on line for the flag specifically so people who have never put their life on the line for the flag have the freedom to burn that flag without facing government oppression.

 

US Army veteran here (Infantry), yes people should be able to burn the flag whether they served or not. That kind of freedom enshrined in the Constitution is what we are supposed to be fighting for, not punishing speech and expression because some people get butt hurt over it. If you want to pissed on the flag and burn it go for it, I'll defend you, because that's what the first amendment is there to protect. It's not there to protect popular forms of speech and expression, it's there to protect people who do and say things that others find outrageous. Freedom isn't always pretty, but it's worth it.

 

Likewise if people support imprisoning those who burn flags are you for a free one way ticket to North Korea so they can live in the Fascist hellhole they desire?

 

What about shooting guns in the air in a city as a protest or burning trash despite burn-bans to protest landfills? Certainly a person should be able to drive 150 mph to protest speed limits and openly carry a firearm as an "expression of protest" too, don't you think?

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Yes, I would support you receiving a 1 way ticket to N. Korea as your freedom of expression to protest the United States.

 

So then America is just populated by the fascists who want laws restricting people's freedoms?

 

Perhaps your opinion would carry more weight with me if these same people weren't trying to ban other flags and symbols in our history.

 

Whoever those people are, are also wrong. No flags should be banned.

 

People are trying to ban a symbol of treason that was used by forces who murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans and kept millions of people in slavery from government buildings.

Why are you against that?

 

Freedom of speech.

Why do you not want it?

 

Feel free to fly your loser flags. You know, the confederacy (lost) and the Nazi (lost) flags represent ideologies crushed and relegated to the dust bin of history.

I don't understand what the obsession is with losers, but so be it.

 

The government doesn't have 1st Amendment protections.

 

At least we have one person whose response was based on actual support for freedom of speech.

Well done.

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It doesn't apply to just the government, does it?

Nice attempt to recover though.