Anyone who burns American flag should be jailed or lose citizenship

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  1. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the government banning the confederate flag would be an attack on free speech.

    You're an odd duck.

    Your turn...Would the government banning the confederate flag be an attack on free speech? Yes or no will suffice.

    And since you brought up that other thread, I'll ask you like you asked me there...What are you expecting to accomplish by participating in this thread?
     
  2. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Most are in their teens or early 20s.
     
  3. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    It's not illegal to say the N word either. You won't lose your citizenship or be deported for saying it either.
    So, they are similar.
    The line is typically crossed when one attacks a specific group.
    Flag burning isn't attacking any group, mostly the gov't.
     
  4. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unfortunately, it's allowed. There have been Nazi parades that are hotly complained about because there are survivors of the death camps who become understandably upset at the image of a Nazi uprising. Any veteran who has been in combat and managed to survive would be equally upset at someone burning the flag.

    People who do these things have no brains, and no feelings. They are nothing but tools. And if I were Judge Judy trying someone for attacking a flag burner, I'd probably let them off with a smile and a wink.
     
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    The flag is just a symbol, but the bill of rights is our way of life. Flag burning is a desecration of a symbol, but a ban on flag burning is a desecration of our bill of rights


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  6. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not correct. Burning the flag today is different than it was in the 60's. Today's protesters will never come close to those in yesteryear, no matter how hard they try. If they are 20 years old, emotionally they are only 13. They are not aware of the impact of their actions.

    Burning the flag is not similar to saying the "N-word" because people don't hold it against the burners, as they would against someone who said the other word. I'd like to see all those caught on camera burning flags to have it known to every friend, co-worker, and potential employer for the rest of their life. I'd like to see them lose their jobs as they would if caught using the "n-word".

    When someone burns the flag, they ARE attacking a group. I'm sorry you don't understand that.
     
  7. dairyair

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    The flag doesn't represent a group. It represents the entirety of the country.
    So, if anything, they'd be attacking the country. Which is much broader than attacking a specific group.
     
  8. tomfoo13ry

    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I imagine most people who burn the flag are protesting the government, not the country. Two very different things.

    Just throwing that out there. I'm not trying to be argumentative.
     
  9. dairyair

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    I said in an earlier post they are attacking the gov't.
    I didn't actually mean they are attacking the country.
     
  10. Sharpie

    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have no idea what the flag represents. It's not for you to define.
     
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    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These threads are giving me the urge to burn another flag. Used to be a forth of July celebration of freedom, maybe that needs to come earlier this year.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's just empty rhetoric.
     
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    Haven't read the thread. I care that these protesters are burning their own property and that they do the burning in a relatively safe way. If they bought the piece of cloth, its theirs to do with as they please. Whatever it may mean to the rest of us, its still stained cloth that is actually should be worth less than a pair of jeans. If they are burning it in public, it is to communicate something, and that something is usually political. I don't have to like it, or applaud it to recognize that use of political symbols are by definition a form of political speech. Lets not make a big drama out of this and turn what they are doing into something far bigger than it ought to be. I can think of far better uses of everyone's time and energy than to burn it, or pass legislation forbidding the burning of it.
     
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    If one is to believe my wife, sometimes, I am. ;)

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    Hand in hand, the ones who are doing the burning are the same ones doing all the other socially unacceptable behavior. Own it buddy, it's all yours.
     
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    Obviously that is wrong. Even a boy scout knows that the proper way to dispose of an old worn out flag is to burn it. So it is not the act of burning the flag that is objectionable. It is what the person is saying when he burns the flag.
    Speech is protected by the first amendment.
     
  16. dairyair

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    LOL. Some now think the flag doesn't represent the USA? If we're talking about the stars and stripes, and we are, it represents the country of the United States of America.
    Are you a 20 yr old you wrote about earlier?
    And guess what, I didn't define what the flag represents.
     
  17. dairyair

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    Really? I suppose you have some facts to back up your claim? NO? I didn't think so.
     
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    Somehow I think tweeting will be part of his presidency. He likes to keep things under 140 characters for his followers. He knows his audience.
     
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    I believe your right , we pick things up quick.
     
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    It's you're, not your. Looks like you didn't pick things up quickly in 2nd grade grammar. Tweeting keeps the message simple, just like his followers.
     
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    Well you guys listened to BS for 18 months and what did you learn ? Maybe you should a read the tweets. Just sayin.

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    Thanks you're correct.
     
  22. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    There are no states that have banned the rebel flag.therecarecstates that have taken down the rebel flag from state grounds or state buildings but youbascan individual are not banned from flying a rebel flag.
     
  23. Fred C Dobbs

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    And their grandfathers were storming the beaches at Normandy at this age, saving democracy from the Nazis and later the Communists. These are not men, they are not responsible adults, and they deserve the contempt they receive.

    Having said that the SCOTUS was right, just as they were right about the Westboro Church, the group most closely associated with flag burners.
     
  24. dairyair

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    I guess the blame falls squarely on the grandfathers children.
    They raised them to be how they are.
     
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    As Trump and other New Yorkers indulged in hate and rancor, the five accused were subjected to intense interrogation, most without their parents present, and gave false confessions. After years in prison, they were exonerated by DNA evidence. A book and a documentary film on the case showed how fear and race played substantial roles in the wrongful convictions but Trump, who fanned the flames, remained steadfast in his views. When the men received compensation for their imprisonment, Trump denounced the payments and smeared the men by saying, “These young men do not exactly have the past of angels.”

    http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/

    In reference to your sig.
     

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